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Can’t beat a classic
Let's be real though, T1 has not been a favorite to win this year's Worlds. They were clearly outclassed by DK all year long. Nice try!
We already have Bard in the game.
Yeah but Bard's is an ultimate and it literally reads that it stasises whatever it hits. That's intended behavior through and through.
Yuumi jumping on a teammate is the intended behavior. That breaking stealth sounds like ass.
that was fast and it looks like fun to play. can't wait to try it!
Golden Guardians, it'll be them.
How dare you, Golden Guardians are good at putting rosters together.
I can't think of a single team eliminated in groups where I was like, "yeah but they should have won worlds." Sorry, FPX, you inted your entire week 2 group stage. You had four shots and missed all of them. Guess you deserve to go home. I really can't imagine anyone reasonable claiming that FPX actually deserved to be in semis right now.
Reminder FPX was on the verge of being eliminated in groups before they went on to win the whole thing in 2019.
Sure. And they’d deserve to be forgotten if that happened. I truly do not care who the conceptual best team in the world is. I care who wins Worlds. If FPX bombed out of groups by playing poorly then they deserved to be forgotten. Such is sport. Just like DL inting into Crown and Licorice stealing Baron on Ornn. The results matter.
Ty for the kind words all.
What about EG Jojo?
Jojo very very good, Copy good also.
I think in both cases they need a bit more marinating time, but a lower tier team could happily take a chance on them and turn them into monsters with the right environment I think.
NO ONE TOPS THE HEAT THAT THE LCS OFF-SEASON BRINGS
Read moreWhile the constraints imposed on the groups seeding is debatable in an of itself, let's just stay on the format considerations, especially since, as you say, quarter's seeding is definitely an unchangeable effect of how the groups play out.
The thing is, playing more games (and not even 2-3x times more) COULD solve some of these issues. Look at TI and the CS:GO major. The Swiss system for the group stage, for example, basically reseeds the original seeding using information from the tournament itself, correcting for the information lost in the time between the qualification and the tournament start. Similarly, a double elimination playoff bracket corrects for a team that warms up as the tournament progresses or for two strong teams meating each other early in the playoffs because of group stage upsets.
Of course, these formats carry their own downsides and can be corrected. There are other useful formats as well (a GSL-style group runs a similar amount of games as ...
Fwiw I really like Swiss systems. LoR uses them, too.
The Gen.G vs T1 and KT vs IG examples show exactly that it IS on the tournament format to salvage the situation. Since there is a time gap between the regionals and groups in which the meta changes and since many teams wind up to be better and better coming from groups to playoffs, there will inevitably be seeding errors that can "ruin" the tournament. It is way better to change the the format than to hope that seeding from regionals into groups and from groups into quarters will just turn out good. The current tournament format just isn't robust enough to account for possible (and arguably very probable) errors in seeding. The double round robin bo1 groups and single elim playoffs is the probably least robust tournament format ever with no methods for internal correction of lopsided groups and bracket matchups.
But how could you possibly fix them? Outside of just saying “nah actually T1 is better we are going to overwrite your seeding” you’re going to get misshapen groups unless the regions seed better. Similar is seeding a 1st place group team vs. 2nd. What, we just say “yeah don’t care, IG is still top seed”? The tournament has to play out.
Playing 2-3x as many games is not the solve for that.
they're unfortunately just not good enough. Maybe Ablazeolive but that's literally it
There's defs some mid talent there, but it's obviously a very tough role at the LCS level given the quality of imports brought into the position (esp with Jensen and Bjergsen being residents, assuming Bjergsen is a player again in 2022).
I would say that the most 'obvious' exciting young talents are actually the V1per bros (General Snips and My Sword Crimsy), but they're both top laners xD
Shame Evolved and Sword never worked out on TSMA, they were strong domestic mids with a ton of natural talent.
Still, there's a lot more domestic talent out there than people usually think it's just understandably overshadowed by big name imports as a role in a lot of cases.
We appreciate the positive acknowledgement, it means a lot!
Read moreI dont think you are really wrong regarding those points, but I dont think people really think group stage is any better than playoffs honestly. In fact group stage might be a bigger offender than playoffs.
6 Bo1s played is unreasonably volatile. Especially in a situation where all teams are playing each other for the first time. A team might bomb the group stage for any reason as is. Someone ate something that upset their stomach the day before? There goes your worlds run. Someone was just feeling off? No chance of getting out of groups.
Seeding makes very little sense. 2018 TL hard stomped everyone in NA to put into a group with EDG and KT Rolster. They actually managed to even grab a game from EDG, and then couldnt get out because KT dropped a game to EDG.
Also groups are too small. Since very often some team has issues in the group stage, whoever lucked into being in the same group just gets to get out.
KT Rolster arguably got r...
You should be remembered for what you did. Plenty of TSM fans are still upset that they failed to get out of groups because Doublelift inted into Crown instead of taking Baron. They should have topped their group instead and played Cloud9 in the quarterfinals and then maybe H2k in the semifinals and then maybe made the finals. But they didn't. Because we play the games and what happened is Doublelift threw the game and TSM lost. KT Rolster may have been "actually" the second best team. But they lost in quarterfinals.
You can still be proud of your results. Maybe TSM fans are happy they got 3 wins. Maybe Fnatic fans are happy they made the finals. Maybe G2 fans are happy that they beat RNG in a nail-biting series. Maybe Misfits are happy they went to 5 games against T1. That's for them to decide. KT Rolster fans may still play that series back in their head. That's fine. But they didn't come close to winning Worlds that year.
I also don't think groups are unreasonabl...
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