Note that Mat always says "there is no plan (currently)", not "we will not".
As much as I would love to say that. I don't pretend to know what the players will want in 10 years time or how the game will be, so it would be foolish for me to decree an absolute decision now.
I think most people get that notion, but are worried that Chinese overlords might decide to cash out someday and demand it anyway.
In the (nearly) 6 years I have been working on OSRS not one person has ever come to me to demand something. Sure, we've made some wrong decisions over the years (and probably will make more in the future), but what the community wants has always come out on top in the end.
Guys, I have just spent the last 6 weeks working on the budget for 2019 and 2020 and I can absolutely asssure you there isn't any Monetisation Manager in the OSRS plan... more Content Devs (yay), more QA (yay), more Artists (yay) but no Monetisation Manager.
We understand how you feel about MTX and there is no plan to introduce it to OSRS without your agreement. So, it is safe to take your tinfoil hats off and put them away until next time.
This needs to happen or I quit drawing lewds for Ayiza >:o
Suits me perfectly I don’t even like them anyway or something like that
What is amazing is that OSRS is the only MMORPG which has grown year on year over the past 5 years. We got something special here.
My bad that’s correct. It was the wiki descriptions that were lacking. I had stopped playing at that time and hadn’t participated in the blog or poll, but I mistakenly remembered looking at them trying to figure it out too. Sorry about that.
No worries, glad we managed to clear that one up :)
That absolutely was not meant to be a dig at you or the team, just meant to show that you have a precedent to revert on what was voted on to clarify what the players actually want.
Yeah that's what I gathered, my comment was more to say it's not something I'd be able to give you an answer on :)
Do you guys dread having to write these polls knowing that no matter what you do you’re going to take flak for how it was worded?
Pretty much every time, that's why I try to include as much info as I can.
Read moreIf you honestly can't see the how big of a mistake you made, then you lost all my support. This poll IS bypassing the polling system. In the past, you HAVE repolled things that already passed and you have gone against poll results in these sort of situations. The fact you're ignoring those and changing your tune with this poll shows a huge bias on your part.
If you want examples, Karambwanji. They passed a poll, but they were polled again because the original poll didn't state they'd lose the ability to cook them. Or how giving Rune and Adamant Dragons a 100$ drop of Superior Dragon Bones passed but it was changed pre-release for balancing with no poll.
This is the same sort of situations. But instead, it being something omitted or a balancing change, it was a bundled question. Yes, 86.6% did vote for Icon Resizing, but only because you bundled it with Spellbook Filters. Look at the current poll and tell me that 75% of players want Icon Resizing. If a new Skill has ...
I think saying I'm not fit to manage the community is going a bit far in this situation, it's not like I personally have the power to make each and every single decision.
I put forward a recommendation, and the resulting decision from that recommendation led to polling another question rather than bypassing the previous one. I cannot control that, so please don't assume I can.
Well in that case you should make the tome of fire provide infinite fire tunes even when uncharged. As that’s how it was worded in the poll. As a matter of fact that’s how it was worded in every blog post poll and update except the very very first blog post.
But what was actually voted on was that the tome of fire to provide infinite fire rune in offhand, and when you charge it with pages it increases damage of fire spells.
Similar issue with Craw’s Bow. Craw’s Bow simply states it provides its own ammo and doesn’t consume ammo, and when it is charged with ether it does extra shit against wilderness creatures. So it should provide its own limitless ammo when uncharged. That’s specifically what was polled and voted on, regardless of the intentions when the question was made.
Please carefully check and word everything if you’re going to take the polling system so seriously.
I'm pretty sure the wording for Craw's bow is accurate to how it functions in-game.
"The bow does not use any ammo, much like the Crystal bow. 1 Revenant ether is used per hit, even if a hit misses."
In that case Revenant ether acts as charges rather than ammo.
Perhaps I’m misinterpreting things here or we’re looking at different sets of data somehow? The whole argument is that the first question passed with such a high percentage because people absolutely wanted spellbook filtering, but some may not have wanted the large icons to come with it but had no choice other than to vote yes if they wanted filtering anyway.
The second poll specifically about icon size, as of time of writing, is sitting around 49% of people being against larger icons. If this were a traditional poll done correctly, as OP states, where a 75% margin is needed for a change to be enacted, then this would be failing spectacularly with only 51% approval.
But because you worded it so that it needs only 26% of people in favour for it to pass, it’s pretty much a foregone conclusion.
The way I'm looking at it is like this:
86.6% of people wanted the Spellbook filter as it was for mobile. That included the fact that icons would be resized, because at the time, that's what was offered.
We then gave the community the option to decide on if they still wanted the Spellbook filter, but without the increased icon size.
At the time of writing this comment, 48.8% of people do not want the icons to increase in size, whereas 51.2% of people do.
At the time of adding this question we really do have to stay true to the poll system - it had already passed with such a huge majority, and weren't comfortable outright saying "whilst you might have wanted this we don't want to give it you anymore, so here's this instead".
The original poll was done correctly - we were offering the mobile spellbook filter as it was for the desktop. Concerns once the poll was already live in-game and was quite clearly passing led to us offering the chance to ...
Read moreRead moreI really don’t understand why you’re not willing to take the stance of simply voiding the previous polled results based on poll integrity issues and resubmitted them as the aforementioned 2 questions. That’s kind of worrying to me. You’re basically willing to say “We know this is an issue” and “We know the outcome might have changed if we’d polled it correctly”, but you’re still not going to?
Surely everyone - you guys on the OSRS team & the wider community - would prefer the polls actually reflect what people want in game? Surely if it meant giving everyone peace of mind you’d simple re-do it. If both pass then great, everyone is happy and we can all rest easy knowing the questions were fully understood and serve as an accurate reflection of the majority of voting players. But if one passes and one fails then we can see there was clearly an issue, and it was able to have been tackled before it was too late.
And just to quickly put my own biases out ther...
I'm talking of my own personal opinion, not the teams or representative of the entire community - perhaps that should have been made clearer.
There was obvious demand for the Spellbook filter to increase icon size, hence why it passed with such a high percentage and the second question failed.
I don't think we should go back and change that now because it didn't suit absolutely everyone. I'm pretty confident that it does represent what the majority of people want in-game, though appreciate it isn't what everyone wants, but I don't think every update is.
Fossil Island was before I joined the team so I’m not exactly sure what happened there, sorry.
Don't you work for Jagex? Find out, man. None of us are exactly sure what happened but we don't work for Jagex.
My God, just do your job.
EDIT: I'm ignorant and stupid because the person who gets paid to be the bridge between the players and the company gave a shit answer.
Why even comment at all? I would've been happy with "but I'll find out" thrown at the end of the original reply.
I’m not actually at work today - perhaps try asking someone that is if you’d rather have a prompt response?
You guys ignore results of previous polls all the time. For example, all of the fossil island wyverns still drop the visage even though it was polled that only the ancient wyverns would drop it.
Fossil Island was before I joined the team and I’m not exactly sure what happened there so I’m not really best places to comment, sorry.
Read moreExcept that train of thought is not entirely accurate due to the nature of the first poll technically bundling multiple things into 1, forcing players to vote through something they perhaps don’t want (large icons) in order to get something they do want (spell filters). We’ve seen it happen before, where people will vote something through because they like a big part of it, but are left somewhat aggravated that they’re having to also vote through something they don’t want that’s attached to it.
As the recent repoll has shown, the enlarged icons is an extremely contentious point. The implication there should be that a ton of people clearly wanted the filters, but the support isn’t anywhere near as strong for the large icons.
What you actually should have done is straight up separated it out into 2 clear & concise polls with no ambiguity.
“Should the ability to filter spells in the spellbook from the mobile client also be made available on the PC...
If I could go back and reword the first question before it was polled, I absolutely would.
I’m not happy with how it bundled two things in together either (even though it was more explaining what the mobile filter offered), but it did, and there’s nothing more that could be done other than this alternative question.
Read moreA poll was released today, and it made a very questionable choice. I am not talking about the wording, but the way they went about the poll. Usually the default is no change and 75% support is needed to make a change. In the current poll that is not the case.
What and Why?
In a recent poll we were asked "Do you want A? B will happen as a result." A lot of players were fine with A but didn't want B. Both were polled in the same question and it passed with 86.6%. But a lot of players were still unhappy with this, so they polled B separately. Yet despite it being a change to how the game currently is, instead of needing 75% to be added, the poll was worded so that it needs 75% to not be added.
This is an extremely bad practice and goes against the polling system. We weren’t given a chance to vote for what we wanted. We were forced to vote for more than we wanted and given an unfair poll to keep existing behavior.
"If the commun...
We polled something not everyone was entirely happy about, but we weren’t in a position to bypass the poll system for what was favoured so highly by so many.
The only thought that was going through my mind when doing this poll question was that the previous question, which included the icons being bigger, had already passed a poll.
At that point we are obliged to add it as per its wording in the poll because the community wanted it - going against that would entirely undermine the polling process.
The only real option was to state “We know this passed, however, if you want we can change it before it’s added to this instead. If not, then it’s going to be as per what you initially voted on”.
That’s what the question aimed to do and there was no other intention other than to give the community the opportunity to decide what they’d prefer happen with it. It had to state that if it failed the previous would be implemented because it had already passed a p...
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Yeh the change hasn’t gone live yet :) this was to tell you it will be in the future though!
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