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Thank you /u/TimeJustHappens !!!

I actually had a recent write-up that goes in more depth about winners/losers queue: https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/tvb772/this_problem_is_now_getting_soo_common_dude/i393gp7/

The thing is, in order to be able to put you in a match where we "Expect you to win" or "Expect you to lose" we need to know your actual skill. When you start putting a "Matchmaking Bias" it starts to reduce how effective we are at knowing player skill and then you couldn't even do these type of queue's because they fall apart. It's pr...

This is a great answer! Thank you for writing this up.

I talked about this with another player recenetly, if you want to learn more or hear how the system works, check out this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/twq8fl/is_my_mmr_fcked/i3j2goi/

Ultimately MMR is just a ladder, if you beat people you climb the ladder and push others down. Your RR gains just push you towards your MMR, so if you fall down the ladder your RR gains will push your rank down with it(and vice versa). Ultimately you just need to win and be better then those above you to ...

Immortal+ is different because your RR scales infinitely. Also that's why when you look up ranked distribution, even tho each rank below immortal has the same size skill gap the population percent's get smaller in higher ranks.

We aren't changing MMR, or how the system rates players, this is just the targets/MMR cut off you need to hit in order to increase your rank. In any MMR system a player that is 1500 vs a 2000 player is the same skill difference as a 2000 vs 2500 player. Both of those matches would have the same expected Win Rate outcome.

You don't need a larger band for anything, when making a rank system you just need to figure out player population and what you want your ranked population %'s to look like. I prefer setting the MMR difference between ranks so that it feels like a smooth climb; E.G. going from Bronze 1 to Bronze 3 is the same skill increase as Plat 1 to Plat 3. I don't have research to know how fast a player improves, because everyone is diff...

No problem, thanks for bringing your concerns and questions forward! Alot of ranked systems give you points based on individual matches and the skill/mmr of the opponents you play against. We definitely are a little different in that our points are based on your MMR and not an individual match outcome. Good luck out there!

I think the big problem is that you are focusing on you compared to your girlfriend when you guys are not at the same point values, and you just started queuing together. Also some of the mechanics of ranked give you higher point values when you promote.

So first off, when you are promoted if your point values fall below 10 we will raise your RR so you start at 10. This is to give you a nice buffer, and give you a 1 loss buffer until you demote. It looks like the match your gf got more points as a promotion game so I wouldn't be surprised if the points that were added from her promotion were why she received more points than you.(this is also true of your promotion game where you got 25)

Another thing to point out is that you are at a different rank in some of these matches. For example lets say you are Gold 1 MMR, and your GF is Silver 3 MMR. When she is Silver 2 she would be the same distance from her MMR as you if you are at Silver 3(one rank away). So technicall...

we do have Rioters around the world! I just only group/know of the NA devs that play :(

(I'm new to Riot so I'm still meeting the devs around the world! But I have met EU Rioters!)

I have about 20+ devs almost everyday playing Valorant. I know of 5 immortal+ players that group up almost every night, I DM a TON. We are out there :) but we usually are on West/Texas servers.

some day..... IT'S STILL IN THE WORKS WE ARE CHUGGING ALONG!

Unfortunately no ETA.

Thank you!

You can go back in my comments to see tons of responses about MMR vs Hybrid ranked systems. Ultimately, there is a reason why we do not have a pure MMR system; at the end of the day we have to weigh the pros and cons and try to figure out what system works better for our game.

In terms of the "Patent", I worked on Call of duty for 6 years and was a core deisgner on Warzone and many modes, weapons, and features. I've never once worked with anyone at the business level, nor did anyone reach out to our designers to implement a patent that activision filed. Not to say it doesn't happen, but a lot of the time patents felt like they were very disconnected from the game process and I never even knew they existed. Again, that's just taking my word for it, but I have no idea how patents in the game industry work or why because I've never been effected by it.

That being said, that patent sounds like it could be a lot of things. That patent could cover a smurf queue, a "troll ...

Yes, I know you simply have to take my word which is why I framed it as to looking at why a Winners/Losers queue is actually a bad thing and not a good thing.

I could just ignore these posts and not comment on it. There are things in life that you will never be able to get the true information about, so I think figuring out how to approach it with "healthy scepticism" is the right answer. You can find info on my points above, that fair matches make players play more(not fake grinds). As much as players want to believe we try to make mechanics to "inflate player grind" a winners/losers queue would actually reduce retention and players would actually quit more than they would stay.

If we don't have players, we don't have people spending money. I think we all should be skeptical of what we hear from companies, but again I think we also have to be able to look at the problem realistically. Either way, I'll stand by it and keep telling people exactly how the system works...

This is a myth that League has also come out against, and I've talked about it a bit. There is no Losers or Winners queue in League or in Valorant. It's an idea that keeps getting brought up or perpetuated because it's an easy thing to blame when someone goes on a streak.

I obviously can't prove it doesn't exist to you, it doesn't matter what I say because you can write it off as "We'll they're just lying to keep it a secret". Instead of thinking of it directly as "Riot is hiding the fact they have a losers/winners queue" we can tackle why would we have it/not have it.

• If winners/losers queue was beneficial to player retention/enjoyment we would include it and not be scared to talk about it.*

I don't see a reason why we would keep something secret if it was beneficial to the game, and the players. It would be very risky, and make no sense, to hide something like this from the players. Retention comes from having a fun game, increasing player sa...

Skill gap between all ranks are actually the same!

So the MMR difference between a bronze 1 and bronze 3 MMR player is the same as a plat 1 and plat 3 player. This is done so that as you climb you get a good feel of how much of a skill difference there is based on the ranks of those above/below you.

As someone who has tried way too many mousepads, I really like Endgames MPX390. Artisan mousepads are also amazing, there is a great community over at /r/MousepadReview which can help!

I kind of answered this in a different thread, if you'd like to see a response as to why we do ranked reset, as well as why we don't do MMR resets you can find it here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/t8st8x/if_ranks_are_considered_milestones_why_are_we_not/hzrmf8q/

If we are giving out awards like gunbuddies, and ranked leaderboards, each episode we need to validate you deserve them. Unfortunately it means that you need to prove that you belong/earned a rank in that new season of the game. Things change, patches, maps, agent balance, and even the community getting better at the game; in my other post I used the example that an Immortal player from Episode 1 would probably be at the skill level of a Plat/Diamond...

Keep playing, your rank will correct! Take it as a time to learn, and don't get discouraged if people talk about your skill. The system was built to account for things like this, and it should be able to handle them when they occur :)

Good luck!

I've talked a bit about this but resetting MMR does nothing except cause chaos to matchmaking. Imagine playing ranked where it was a true coinflip on whether you got previous plat or radiant players and if the other team had bronze or Iron. I have only ever seen one game do an MMR reset; even games that say they have are not telling the whole truth(in fact, they are not showing real MMR, but an altered one).

Part of the reason is those skill systems that determine MMR take lots of matches to get an idea of where you belong and opponents with various MMR levels to test you against. You are destroying years of data building that helps the system rate players against each other by resetting MMR. If you were to take chess as an example, it takes players 1000's of matches to reach their "True MMR/Skill". Imagine resetting a player before they reach that mark. Now you no longer know how good that player is, or any player for that matter, and now you need each player to play 1000'...

Thanks for compiling this! I would love to respond to more, maybe I will at some point; super busy this weekend. You got my title right, and no worries either way(at the core I'm a game designer and in that group, before Riot I was called a "systems designer").

Hope you guys enjoyed the answers, I had fun typing them up!

Also as a side note, the higher rank you get the more Win/Loss takes over and Encounter MMR matters less. This is because at the high ranks reaction time and aim start to even out, or become less impactful. We understand that people can win games at higher ranks due to being good IGL's or being extremely effective in using their skills. It doesn't mean you can't do this at lower ranks, you still have win/loss MMR at all ranks, but after measuring players skill and MMR we've found out that most players above a certain point will just outperform lower ranks due to their raw aim/mechanics(then they hit the wall of game knowledge).

It does rate how effective you were in that duel, and a bunch of other factors. Doing damage to them, or flashing them, is better then doing nothing.