Lol, does this not taint your view on how the wilderness works in regards to multi-combat, timers, or things like that? I never really got bothered thaaaat much until I started an Ironman and had to consider the zero-benefit game of fighting back and assessment of how protected items are based on GE Values which don’t matter to Ironmen and things like that.
I suppose. The wilderness wasn't really made for ironman play though, so there are bound to be some issues.
It seems to have a very earthy "pine tree" feel to it, almost akin to areas near Rellekka and Burthope
I also love how the new area incorporates more impassable terrain- things like steep slopes or walls have always done a huge role in shaping areas. How a player navigates an area sticks with that place's identity, and old Zeah pretty much never had that. Old Zeah felt kind of like one big fair, with tents/ buildings in a huge grid for you to walk up and play little games at.
I made this god knows how long ago, to try and visually explain what more natural pathing, smaller buildings, and impassible terrain could do to an area to make it feel so much more real. Your reworks take this approach intuitively, and it makes me happy for the future of this game's map design :D
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking. There's a forest near where I grew up called Thetford Forest and I'd love to create something reminiscent of this style (obviously with much smaller trees due to our limitations) with large sections of red-brown ferns amongst the trees. Now, this is quite at odds with the Persian-esuqe aesthetic of current Shayzien but I've always felt that a harsh mixing of styles makes things feel unique and fantastical. Unsure if you've ever read the WoT (I'm halfway through it myself... it's long) but there's a civilization known as the 'Aiel' (Eye-eel, or something like that) and they're a very strange mixture of real world cultures that makes them very unique and grounded as a result. I think if we reduced some of the vibrancy from the Shayzien red to a more maroon/brown it could sensibly be used as camo in a forest with a littering of brown ferns and bright red berry bushes.
Yeah, the original layout of Zeah was very theme-parky. It was c...
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have you ever been skull tricked when trying to fight back?
Yeah, one time. Was quite disappointed in myself, ngl. Only lost a dds and an rcb though, not the end of the world.
I can't even loot anyway - you see, I'm an ironman. I may not have mentioned :P
relatable
I’ve never really heard Jagex’s take (or Mods’ take) on PKing people that are PvMing. I guess it’s good that this is relatable.
TBF I like to fight back every now and then. Especially in deep wild if I'm being teamed by pures as I've managed to kill some of the... let's say, less skilled pkers from time to time. Only if wildy slaying though, if I'm clue scrolling all I have is a spade.
I'm still trash though and can't click for sh*t :P
Is there a chance that this new art director is out of touch with how the players want osrs art to look? I think its a genuine worry/concern to have considering past experiences, some reassurance that the director is on the same page with the style of the game and the style the players want would be nice. I think your stuff is literally perfectly spot on to the osrs art style btw.
Their job certainly isn't to alienate the community by changing the game into something it isn't. That wouldn't be overly productive :P Ry, Gee and I are helping him every step of the way and he'll be gathering feedback from both the wider team and the player base in time but it's very early stages atm.
I'm glad you feel my work is on point, it's what I've always strived for at the end of the day :D The thing is, a lot of players have wildly differing opinions on what 'OSRS style' is and it generally depends quite heavily on the time period they played back in the day that was most formative. I personally started in 2004 and played up until 2010 and fortunately the graphics being made during 2007 was always my favorite. Areas that were updated like Falador, Varrock and Canifis are good examples. Hopefully we keep some parity with these locations as that's what I've been doing since I joined. Although I suppose I may have messed it up a few times coughdragonstonearm...
Read moreWell I've been complaining that the dwarves don't have an underground area despite being dwarves for 3 years now, though I guess that would just be a given if lova was ever redesigned. It would be more helpful to have a specific idea for a lova dungeon so let's see...some kind of minigame where you actively delve into the rock face, where you can see what's up ahead. Kinda like that old flash game motherlode. Each tile would have a dense deposit of ore or gems which you could mine multiple times. There would be hazards like explosive gas pockets, skeletons and the like. Though that would be overscoping with a capital O and mining has many viable methods already so you could argue this idea has little merit but it still sounds fun.
Yeah, it's inevitable that things won't make sense when those who are uninformed of the world of Gielinor have control over the lore. That shouldn't be an issue going forward and is hopefully clear from our additions in recent years :P
I'd certainly be up for more mining content, but as you said, it as had a fair amount of updates lately.
Read moreTextures are dangerous territory, but I'd like you to briefly look at a bunch of these areas:
Classic went a lot heavier with these "crap" textures but there's something very charming about them. There are a lot more places that use them (I know entrana does for sure)
The slightly muted slate texture in the first few images are what I imagined being used for the arena
The arena, right now, is flat unlike anything else in the game besides a few spots in new content (Theatre of Blood I think has a few of these unbroken flat faces)
To me a tiny bit of "crappy texture" feels more oldschool than uninterupted bright flat ground
I know your aim was to make this area very simple and not too busy, but I think the lack of the main background of it has had the opposite effect. Without "grounding" the background, the se...
Funnily enough, there are no textures in the mimic room. I think the issue was the brightness of the assets as Ghost had a tendency to remove all lighting from his work to make them pop more. In that case that popped a bit too much :/ It works well for characters though, just not so much for environments.
I do see what you mean with the slate texture but we've as of late been moving away from textures as a whole. We have an art director now so we can start creating an actual 'art style' for future content rather than just throwing out whatever we please :P We'll lean into what has been successful in the past but I don't see us ever returning to textures.
And thanks! I'm glad you're liking the direction I've gone in with them. Hopefully more of that to come :D
I cannot get over how much I f**king love this, holy shit thank you
Literally everything about it from the terrain especially to how instead of one big grid it's like a TON of distinct areas all connected through memorable paths and variances on the theme
This rework is really just going to hold Zeah together so much better
Thanks! I'm glad you like where it's going (:
Beautiful and relatable! Great work :D
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If that's what you want...
Any chance at you telling a little bit?
It would be redundant what I was thinking at the time as it was so long ago :P I have a habit of laying bread crumbs down for future content just in case! A few examples would be the Slepe dungeon, the chasm of fire and the Forthos dungeon. And this I suppose... Too many dungeons get arbitrarily extended so it’s nice to have a bit of foreshadowing when possible. It also sparks curiosity in the players who come across it which gets them asking for content they may not have otherwise ;)
Yes its beautiful in a grim way :)
I showed him the baby ripping apart the main character, so yeah... a bit grim :P
Id reccomend to him Blasphemous. Great game similar tones but metroidvania style
Think I’ve shown it to him in the past, before it was released. Incredible pixel art!
Ive said it a million times, Nightmare is just a rip off of Orphan of Kos from Bloodborne
As it happens, Ghost was a big bloodborne fan (who isn’t?) but he never played the DLC.
Will the "prayer restoration for buried bones" trait still apply?
Yep, no mechanical change. It’s all tied to the dark altar :)
Would it be possible to implement the GPU rasteriser from the mobile release of OSRS in the default desktop client? I'm wondering if that would aid with some of the performance issues with some of the larger and more detailed areas being introduced to the game as of late.
I'm of the understanding it isn't as simple as just moving it over to the desktop version, but you're correct, it would certainly be a massive help with frame-rate. I personally thought we would have had it by now but I believe it's trapped behind something else atm, likely the work being done for Clans and GIM. It's certainly on the table in the future, but until then it would be best to build environments within our min-specs. (and honestly, the more we can optimise, the more we can do anyway)
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Given how long I spent optimising the grand library, I’d rather we didn’t repeat that! While each level uses multiple floors it doesn’t quite use them to the same extent the library did. I’ll keep an eye on the FPS throughout development :)
Random extra idea: put another copy of the giant bosses in the giant dungeon on Zeah.
Pros: increased value to zeah locked irons
Cons: devalues varrock sewers?
It would seem strange from a lore perspective but if we can find a way around that and it passes a poll, I don’t see why not.
If we are to do another twisted league, having a way to use those key drops would be nice.
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