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The old system did not have bounty suppression at all. The new one does. The tuning has just been very mild. The rest of this post is accurate.

The total output of W was accounted for when making these changes. It sums up to about 8% of her total PVP damage.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I'm dying.

I was 99% sure this is what I was gonna see. Thank you for not letting me down.

You're the GOAT

He is. The wiki is wrong.

Mid and Bot Seraphine have never been remotely close in power level. And neither have been remotely close to Support in popularity.

Yes. Not the range of casting them but the ease of clicking on them.

Yep that's also valid. Players shift behavior, which can't easily be cleaned up when just looking at performance from the outside.

If you're slamming as an ADC, you don't bother counter-building Soraka. If you're losing, you may as well buy Executioner's and then you may as well finish Mortal Reminder at some point.

There's a huge problem with using "x Max" public data win rates without nuance because they only count games where players have reached enough levels to actually reach rank 5 of the ability. I spot-checked this once for Seraphine and it was somewhere between 1% and 2% win rate inflation at Support, less so for Mid/Bot.

If you want a better public data resource for that, just look at what's ranked up at champion level 5. You're much less to have the above bias and it'll be closer to the truth (though it has its own biases). Using lolalytics as an example, about as many players go 3W -> 5E (level 10 required) as go 5E by 9. This means you're heavily inflating "E-max" win rate builds because being 1 level higher biases toward being on the winning team.

E max Janna is like 50.5 and W max Janna is closer 53. I believe Janna is a completely reasonable champion in the 51.5-52 range if she's not severely MMR skewed.

It was bugged, ultimately.

She's getting nerfed next patch.

Two reasons for the delay:

First, we would have nerfed her a couple patches ago, but we just went after Zaz'Zak's and Mandate, which are core to her most-performant builds. Reddit likes to call this the "Riot special." So we didn't nerf her that patch. Then it was MSI patch so we elected to wait two weeks because hey maybe we see a Janna game at MSI, that'd be neat.

Second, there are always champions that we "know" are OP but players don't. Poppy is currently an extremely high-performing support but her pick rate is under 1%. One day players will learn and then we'll act. Maokai was like this last year and then players caught on this year. Janna was in that state for a while.

Opposite of this. Technically only the tooltip change to QQ shipped and we elected to give him only very light buffs via the passive by not micropatching the gameplay-impacting QQ change.

When Skarner E collides, it checks a small area in front/behind the target to see if they're extremely close to terrain, so Kayn would get instantly stunned.

Kayn E is scripted to teleport him out if he ever receives a hard CC while inside a wall (IIRC).

Skarner exits the wall less quickly. His E buff drops, which makes him have to get out, which he does via a fairly quick pseudo-dash (IIRC).

Or they kiss.

You typically don’t scale both.

Elise for example just wants ability power and most of her damage comes from abilities. It also happens to amp her spider form melee damage because that’s meant to be something she does while building AP.

Another AP champion like Syndra never has strong incentives to use basic attacks.

Karma R+E is going to be different, actually.

The AoE shield is going to scale exclusively off of R and will be distinct from the single-target amp.

You're not wrong.

All of Sleigh's effects are tied to the same duration unless I've grossly overlooked something.

No I didn't.

Ahri has a reasonable kit for a jungler. She just doesn't have any logical way to make the clear make sense.

Lissandra would be oppressive, yes.

Thanks for the report, I'll look to get that cleaned up.