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In the short term it would have the effect you want.

In the long term it would not. If every new player started at 0 over time 0 would become the new mid-point.

The tradeoff being made here is mostly that this is the quickest way to place people accurately. You can do things to make it less accurate (artificially set players MMR, force restrictions on who they can play against) but these make the system take longer to find their true MMR, and this extra time further compounds into less accurate matchmaking in the long term. We make some of these compromises (there are soft restrictions in place to prevent new new players from facing veterans) but Matchmaking systems are quite delicate as they rely on assumptions and breaking those assumptions can lead to unexpected behavior and wonkiness in the long run.

For what it is worth the general goal for Starter Upgrades internally was to shoot for about 110% the power of other T3s. They ask players to lock themselves into potential build options very early on and we felt it was important for these to always feel like a + so that decision feels good. It's why we recently just announced buffs for basically all the Jungle Starters as they didn't meet that goal.

As for this post; a bit of math.

Let's use Ra's 1 as an example since its numbers are nice :

335 + 100% Magical Power. In the above build we have 725 before we add either Sacrificial or Obsidian Shard. We also have 10% Penetration from Rod Of Tahuti.

Let's assume 3 targets. 100 Magical Prots. 200 Magical Prots. 300 Magical Prots.

Sac 100 : (335 + 840) * (100 / (100 + (100 * .9))) * 1.15 = 711 damage.

Sac 200 : (335 + 840) * (100/ (100 + (200 * .9))) * 1.15 = 482 damage.

Sac 300 : (335 + 840) * (100/ (100 + (300 * .9))) * 1.15 = ...

Those are 'local' matches. As in they run on your machine and don't connect to a separate server to play.

If you had someone in your party and went into Jungle Practice, or played Conquest Custom, etc; you won't see this issue since those are 'networked' matches.

Yep, this is correct! You reduce it first; with % going first and then flat.

Then you calculate your penetration against that reduced amount, % going first and then flat.

This is correct. You get none at level 1 then for each level you get 3% until you get 18% at level 7.

It pauses the timer.

Each Basic Attack will proc. Gods who might multiproc really quickly often have clauses about when/if Basic Attack items proc.

It is once per target per ability, I'll make sure that is clear in the item description :)

Otherwise incoming Anubis support.

Yep, insane Omi regen.

Each ability says its energy gain, and the ult says how much it costs. Can you show me what your descriptions look like because I see them there in game on each ability and how much they give.

It looks like your minions are attacking the Khepri. Can see damage numbers and you get an assist. Towers detect if you are attacking a god allied to them, which technically you are :D

Similar things happen on Bastet Cats, or even more interestingly an enemy god stepping on an Artemis trap while she is under a tower a mile away.

We do want some ways for console players to be able to see this. I don't have any updates but we are aware that many of our players cannot even see these descriptions that can provide insight into what is happening to you at any given moment.

I updated it just now to Your healing taken from lifesteal and abilities has been reduced by 30%.

It is specifically Healing Taken. For example, if you are in combat with a god and an Aphrodite NOT in combat with a god uses her heal on you, you will be healed for the full amount. This I feel is more clear than "Your healing from abilities and lifesteal is reduced by 30%" to me makes it sound like it is only your healing to yourself being reduced.

We try to keep these short and without numbers just to give players a quick glance at the debuff rather than seeing a wall of text; but for an effect that is so global as this as well as not having an ability to go reference after the fact to see specifics this should have more information.

Also, as someone else pointed the goal is to move it over to the debuff slot so it better appears as something negatively effecting you.

I can also confirm we did talk about quite a few alternatives. I actually posted this before we revealed the global healing change but I thought it summed up healing in SMITE fairly well. You can also see where our head is at for how we view healing in SMITE. I mostly post it to this thread to show that we do really discuss all this stuff and try to justify why we do what we do and not just implement the path of least resistance. https://www.reddit.com/r/Smite/comments/kdvfnn/t...

Hey everyone, a bit late to the thread but I figured it is worth explaining a few things as it does seem like there is a lot of misunderstanding.

Jorms basic attacks don't trigger item effects. Not demonic grip, not telkhines. This is because of the rapid nature of his autos fundamentally breaking these types of effects. Fafnirs dragon breath is the same. I see a lot of people talking about how Fafnirs breath has rules allowing him to use items like this but again he does not. His stim allows him to do some clever things with proccing item effects, but his breath itself does not. I believe this is how their breaths have worked since their release.

This isn't a blanket change to how his basic works, but fixing Deaths Toll and Manikin Scepter to behave like every other item does for Jorm already. The alternative (letting Jorm have these effects) would be to let Jorm have Telkhines and Animosity (4% maximum health damage) as well.

Yeah, that was the point. I wanted to make it clear what it means for SMITE when we turn the healing knob up across the game.

Taken to its extreme, imagine a god that can ONLY heal. That god existing in that match would have to significantly reduce the kills to be considered even remotely effective.

My major point was to the original poster. He was pushing for healing to be its own identity supported with a slew of items. This turns the the knob up across the game by default. It must result in less kills; there is no other possible outcome to that proposal.

I think there are players who would 100% prefer that type of game. But we have to decide if that is the type of game most players would prefer and we have some historical evidence and we have made choices from the beginning of SMITE that tend to push the game in a different direction. The direction of SMITE has also changed over time as the design team refines and adapts our goals based on player feedba...

We have a few different approaches to balance. In general Warrior healers were not seen as effective and more specifically Guan Yu was not seen as effective. It did not matter that Guan Yu was statistically performing; he was often placed as a very low priority pick across the board.

Ra was in a similar spot until recently, seen as a mid to low tier mage at best. It did not matter that he statistically does well.

We have seen this year that focusing on the perceived strength of the character and how it feels to fight as them and against them in the context of a match is much better than pointing at our spreadsheets and going "We are right, sorry guys".

Gods having healing in their kit is contextual. Healing itself isn't bad; my argument is too much healing is bad. Tsukuyomi's healing is somewhat limited in that he won't find much to Basic Attack for long enough to heal. Set MUST be fighting a god to heal and Horus' heal has very low scaling making it larg...

I should clarify burst a bit. In general what I mean is that when players dump their kits into each other, someone dies. Since they have to dump multiple abilities even burst comes out over a few seconds. MOBAs should have a higher time to kill than say a game like Counterstrike by default.

When things get TOO bursty (see old Loki, when you feed a He Bo, etc.) it can become frustrating as you often feel like you cannot play a fight.

Some characters will push for faster responses (if you hear Kuku ult you better Aegis) while others will allow for slower fights but the detrimental slowness is when gods can dive each other, dump 1 to 2 rounds of their full kit, and nobody has died yet. Even if it feels fun to someone who enjoys those types of fights it can be difficult to even end a game in that scenario.

Burst does have a distinct disadvantage as if you aren't attuned to reacting to it (new player as you mentioned) you are more susceptible to what feels like...

I touched on that a little bit; the per fight feeling of your healing can wildly vary from moment to moment. It isn't even about people knowing if anti-heal exists as Diamond+ Healers have a clear advantage. Ff those players cannot recognize when to buy Anti-heal and apply it regularly then basically no-one can (or healers are not shut out entirely but can feel that way).

We have spent a lot of time over the years discussing healers, their role in SMITE, and how best to support them. I think you have done a good job outlining some of the variance caused by healers and an approach to resolve that; but I want to provide some more context of our opinions so you can see why we are where we are with healers.

Lotus Crown was an attempt for a more healer focused item. This item when released was incredibly potent creating what you described at the end as a problem state. You could largely flex this as a one off and make your heals provide super utility while still building full damage. There are likely healthier ways to do this but healing has some core truths that we also try to be careful of. These are simply what must occur when healing is strong.

When healing is too strong players die less. When healing is too strong combat can feel less meaningful.

We often bounce between a Tank Meta and a Burst Meta. While somewhere in betwe...