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Possibly, but it also helps us push to explore territory that can provide unique gameplay. With pure focus on Gameplay it can be easy to not explore more dangerous ideas or just immediately dismiss them; but often you would miss out on the insight of both what options to explore once you commit to an idea but future lessons for gods.

3/4 of your examples I would say show this pretty well works. Pushing how "disorienting" we can make his horn was a relatively low risk exercise on our part that wouldn't break the characters theme if it was not there and had some potential payoff that is could have bolstered his theme some and potentially provided unique gameplay. It was tested as a known higher risk aspect but it was a pretty easy thing to try out, iterate on, and discard if it didn't feel like an add.

Tsukuyomi's Basic Attacks is similar. It had the potential to double down on his theme and reinforce his precise and calculating demeanor and the pointedness of the ab...

This is actually neat. Often when working on gods we are more specific to them and may or may not fall into patterns without realizing this so this was a good opportunity to gut check some of the decisions made on those gods. While if I could go back and change some decisions I have made through various gods developments (I think any designer on any game feels similarly, lol); I am unsure if I would change much about these slows.

I was curious to go back and get specific numbers but I know in general SMITE is a pretty slow heavy game. Looking at the total god roster of 116, 89 have a slow to some capacity (76.7%). Removing all of these gives a historical 71.2%. It serves as a reward inside a kit to follow up on further aggression without being so disruptive as to remove control from players and in general creates good fair moments of tension so I am not surprised that this is the case. It is also why Winged Blade has always been (and likely always will be) a really good ite...

Text is not updated due to how this was implemented. I did hop in this morning into a Custom Conquest to confirm it functions as intended. Local matches (such as Solo Jungle Practice) may not show it working either.

That system sounds like it takes a different approach; which is fine but it is a tradeoff of being explicitly slower. You could make our system roughly match that by essentially using our confidence metric as a multiplier on MMR. At 0% confidence we assume you are 1500; then multiply by 0 to get you 0. You play and win; your confidence goes to like 10% and your MMR goes to 1600. You functionally have 160 MMR.

This is a common approach with systems like this but again; it is a tradeoff. While it lessens the pull of bringing down the median MMR it isn't actually ignored and it will explicitly take longer to test and validate a players MMR. We tend to find that these types of changes seem more detrimental in a game like SMITE where there is a lot of noise when it comes to measuring player skill. (9 other factors on your team than say a 1v1 for example).

In the short term it would have the effect you want.

In the long term it would not. If every new player started at 0 over time 0 would become the new mid-point.

The tradeoff being made here is mostly that this is the quickest way to place people accurately. You can do things to make it less accurate (artificially set players MMR, force restrictions on who they can play against) but these make the system take longer to find their true MMR, and this extra time further compounds into less accurate matchmaking in the long term. We make some of these compromises (there are soft restrictions in place to prevent new new players from facing veterans) but Matchmaking systems are quite delicate as they rely on assumptions and breaking those assumptions can lead to unexpected behavior and wonkiness in the long run.

For what it is worth the general goal for Starter Upgrades internally was to shoot for about 110% the power of other T3s. They ask players to lock themselves into potential build options very early on and we felt it was important for these to always feel like a + so that decision feels good. It's why we recently just announced buffs for basically all the Jungle Starters as they didn't meet that goal.

As for this post; a bit of math.

Let's use Ra's 1 as an example since its numbers are nice :

335 + 100% Magical Power. In the above build we have 725 before we add either Sacrificial or Obsidian Shard. We also have 10% Penetration from Rod Of Tahuti.

Let's assume 3 targets. 100 Magical Prots. 200 Magical Prots. 300 Magical Prots.

Sac 100 : (335 + 840) * (100 / (100 + (100 * .9))) * 1.15 = 711 damage.

Sac 200 : (335 + 840) * (100/ (100 + (200 * .9))) * 1.15 = 482 damage.

Sac 300 : (335 + 840) * (100/ (100 + (300 * .9))) * 1.15 = ...

Those are 'local' matches. As in they run on your machine and don't connect to a separate server to play.

If you had someone in your party and went into Jungle Practice, or played Conquest Custom, etc; you won't see this issue since those are 'networked' matches.

Yep, this is correct! You reduce it first; with % going first and then flat.

Then you calculate your penetration against that reduced amount, % going first and then flat.

This is correct. You get none at level 1 then for each level you get 3% until you get 18% at level 7.

It pauses the timer.

Each Basic Attack will proc. Gods who might multiproc really quickly often have clauses about when/if Basic Attack items proc.

It is once per target per ability, I'll make sure that is clear in the item description :)

Otherwise incoming Anubis support.

Yep, insane Omi regen.

Each ability says its energy gain, and the ult says how much it costs. Can you show me what your descriptions look like because I see them there in game on each ability and how much they give.

It looks like your minions are attacking the Khepri. Can see damage numbers and you get an assist. Towers detect if you are attacking a god allied to them, which technically you are :D

Similar things happen on Bastet Cats, or even more interestingly an enemy god stepping on an Artemis trap while she is under a tower a mile away.

We do want some ways for console players to be able to see this. I don't have any updates but we are aware that many of our players cannot even see these descriptions that can provide insight into what is happening to you at any given moment.

I updated it just now to Your healing taken from lifesteal and abilities has been reduced by 30%.

It is specifically Healing Taken. For example, if you are in combat with a god and an Aphrodite NOT in combat with a god uses her heal on you, you will be healed for the full amount. This I feel is more clear than "Your healing from abilities and lifesteal is reduced by 30%" to me makes it sound like it is only your healing to yourself being reduced.

We try to keep these short and without numbers just to give players a quick glance at the debuff rather than seeing a wall of text; but for an effect that is so global as this as well as not having an ability to go reference after the fact to see specifics this should have more information.

Also, as someone else pointed the goal is to move it over to the debuff slot so it better appears as something negatively effecting you.

I can also confirm we did talk about quite a few alternatives. I actually posted this before we revealed the global healing change but I thought it summed up healing in SMITE fairly well. You can also see where our head is at for how we view healing in SMITE. I mostly post it to this thread to show that we do really discuss all this stuff and try to justify why we do what we do and not just implement the path of least resistance. https://www.reddit.com/r/Smite/comments/kdvfnn/t...

Hey everyone, a bit late to the thread but I figured it is worth explaining a few things as it does seem like there is a lot of misunderstanding.

Jorms basic attacks don't trigger item effects. Not demonic grip, not telkhines. This is because of the rapid nature of his autos fundamentally breaking these types of effects. Fafnirs dragon breath is the same. I see a lot of people talking about how Fafnirs breath has rules allowing him to use items like this but again he does not. His stim allows him to do some clever things with proccing item effects, but his breath itself does not. I believe this is how their breaths have worked since their release.

This isn't a blanket change to how his basic works, but fixing Deaths Toll and Manikin Scepter to behave like every other item does for Jorm already. The alternative (letting Jorm have these effects) would be to let Jorm have Telkhines and Animosity (4% maximum health damage) as well.

Yeah, that was the point. I wanted to make it clear what it means for SMITE when we turn the healing knob up across the game.

Taken to its extreme, imagine a god that can ONLY heal. That god existing in that match would have to significantly reduce the kills to be considered even remotely effective.

My major point was to the original poster. He was pushing for healing to be its own identity supported with a slew of items. This turns the the knob up across the game by default. It must result in less kills; there is no other possible outcome to that proposal.

I think there are players who would 100% prefer that type of game. But we have to decide if that is the type of game most players would prefer and we have some historical evidence and we have made choices from the beginning of SMITE that tend to push the game in a different direction. The direction of SMITE has also changed over time as the design team refines and adapts our goals based on player feedba...