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We are sad about this too. It was actually one of the first things we tried to do when we got started on URF.

The reason it didn't make it in was that it was actually much more work than you would expect. So much so that we wouldn't have time to optimize several other champions for performance, and thus would have required us to disable multiple other champions in the mode.

We wanted URFs first time out to be the OG version that allowed everyone to pick their champions. Everyone is excited to try out specific ones and we wanted to allow for that here.

First, if I have Font of Life, and I hit 5 enemies simultaneously (eg Nasus Spirit Fire) , do all of them get fonted or just one, and if one, who exactly?

It won't be everyone, I believe we set it up to apply to your closest target.

Second, if I heal or shield everyone simultaneously (eg locket), do I get 4 shield triggers or one? I’m also curious how this interacts with Athene’s consuming blood.

You will get multiple triggers, but I am unsure how it interacts with Athenes. I would guess either gives the bonus healing to the lowest health target, or the closest.

Third, with the now 4 items I’m aware of that trigger off heal/shield, do you get multiple of their effects if you heal/shield multiple times, eg getting 40+ extra ability haste from staff of flowing waters.

Buffs with the same name do not stack. You will apply the buff to multiple allies though, but...

Sorry for the formatting, I'm writing this on mobile.

" I hope my opinion can be valuable to you anyway."

It is helpful for sure. While Jinx isn't expected to be buying this item she would still be interacting with it in her games. And we want it to be understandable to its core users, but also not unapproachable to the rest of the player base.

" For me, Zeke is definitely one of the reasons why I see the Seedjar as lackluster. I do understand that you gain 5 more armor and magic resist with the jar, as well as 5% move speed and a cute gardening ability that may or may not be clutch. But who will choose that over Zeke's ability haste, mana and powerful passive? I am aware that you can buy the jar and Zeke, but I just feel like any other item is just at least a tiny bit "better". I am relatively new to LoL and Wild Rift, so seeing that the way to make an item stand out is to give it +5% move speed is weird for me. Like, 5% is not much and multiple other ite...

If finding seeds ends up being a pain point for the item then I expect we will be looking into ways to make this clearer. Though I am not convinced it is in most cases. The first time seeing/hearing about the item will likely lead to confusion for some players, but even in those cases, I expect that after the initial confusion it will come together well.

Making sure players could quickly understand the item is a key part of its success or failure. In playtests, we would tell testers the name of the item, and the brief concept, before seeing how quickly they figured it out. Generally, testers were able to understand everything they needed to know rather quickly, but if that doesn't translate well into the live environment we can look into it.

It would be very unlikely to make a change like this. We don't think vision control is the direction for this item (though that is an aspect of it) or is something that should become the primary responsibility for one role.

We do expect there to be some difficulty, especially early on with this item. But luckily Honeyfruit and Scryer's Bloom don't take much coordination.

If it ends up needing some love we have different directions we can take. It just depends on what the problems are in that situation. This might be with the items stats, build path, or tweaks to the effect itself.

Good questions, these are the kinds of decisions that designers need to deal with that most people don't tend to think about. Because of the complexity of the Seedjar we knew we couldn't fit everything into the tooltip. If we had tried to give plenty of details, such as seed growth time or per seed CD, its tooltip would be very long and wordy and turn people away when we put so much work into making something that we hoped would be easy to pick up and run with rather quickly through the item's theming. Though that doesn't mean it couldn't be clearer, and we could look at rewording it if needed.

Originally it would just drop the seed and if you had Seedjar you would need to run over and pick it up. But the Blastcone's made this annoying/painful for melee champions, they would hit the Blastcone go flying, then walk back to pick it up. It also annoying for ranged champions who interact with the world at range and would need to put themselves more into harm's way.

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We have talked about different kinds of tweaks/changes we can make if it ends up being weak or too niche. We do this for major content updates, but obviously, it gets adapted and changed on a case-by-case basis.

A lot of what I have been seeing is about the item's state line, we choose this line for a few reasons.

1. It is a good alternative to Zeke's. While Zeke's is good in team fights, this item was intended for a bit of roaming/being on your own. This put it in a place where you were unlikely to get both, and they would compete for the same slot.
2. We felt it was more exciting for tanky/roaming supports than enchanters. While initially, we thought the idea of a gardening item fit better with the babysitter mindset of enchanters, it ends up being less interesting. Enchanters put themselves into fewer risky situations so giving them more Honeyfruit felt wrong, similarly, the Blastcone is more interesting for tanks too whereas it doesn't do much for an e...

This is actually something we originally talked about doing, but moved away from due to the added complexity and what it would do to the tooltip. Seedjar is already a very complex item and we did a lot of fiddling to help with things like picking up seeds (the video did a great job showing these).

Fun fact, early in dev we had a bug with player-placed blastcones. If it was used next to a tower it would knock the tower's hitbox, health bar, and fire point (basically all the logic but not the model) away. So visibly you would still see the tower where it was. But it would actually be firing from behind a wall or where ever you knocked it back to, but visually the tower would still be in the same place.

Because of the item's learning curve, both on the player with Ixtali Seedjar and their team, we expected to see early feedback that it was weak. If this continues to be the case we will address it, don't worry we are not putting it out into the game without monitoring...

Correct, ability's mana costs change not your total mana pool. The Mana Charge passive will also still stack up on Tear of the Goddess items (actually faster than normal). And bonus mana is converted into bonus health, so you'll still be putting that mana to use.

Sorry about that, this was a typo. The cost of Needlessly Large Rod did not change.

Yep yep yep, this is the same for Mpen boots (though we didn't build Mpen into champion's kits) and why we created Infinity Orb as a replacement Mpen item.

Basically we felt those boots stifled choice and this pushes players to get the right boots for each match. Got problems with Veigar? Merc Treads work great against him. Want to zoom around? Swifties are an option.

To clear something up here if you land a Leona ultimate on 5 people (stunning them all) it will reduce your active items cool down 5 times, for 15% of it's current cool down each time.

While this will happen instantly from the player perspective, behind the scenes this doesn't come out to 15*5 (75). But instead reduces it by 15% of the remaining cool down, gets that total, then reduces it again and repeat.

Oh that would be sweet, wouldn't it?

I think a good option might be to give us passive stacks on teammate plant kills(?) that can be used to gather more vision with a second sweeper lens or a third ward. Maybe like +12?

This sounds like it might be gearing towards a different item. Vision is a part of it for sure, but a bit goal of the item is roaming and the seed collection/blast cone (hopefully) help here.

The blast cone didn’t feel natural to me however.

I'm very interested to hear your thoughts once you get to try it a bit. Planting, and using these is the primary worry about the complexity of the item. So early gut reads are helpful to understand expectations here, then hearing how it actually works out as people become familiar with it is particularly interesting.

I think the only learning curve with this is letting your teammates take plants kills, along within getting and using the benefit of more vision.

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The Scryer's Bloom should be treated like any Scryer's Bloom you normally see on the map. I believe that means that if you hit the plant, and reveal enemy wards, you are flagged as the one who revealed the wards.

We want to avoid creating new buttons and overloading your screen, your right it is technically possible and we MIGHT do it one day, but it is something we want to avoid as it creates clutter, and can be confusing (especially when players can change their button layout).

As for settings options, our thought is that settings should have a broad use case, and we want to avoid settings that only make changes in very niche situations. Settings are also something that most players don't interact with so finding a good default is still the best way to go. For example if replacing things were to become very common in the game we might look at making a setting for it, but we would still want to have a clear rule/default that we were happy with.

"Also, it's not even a but annoying for you to ask. So many games don't and then end up with a bad system that could be averted with a quick question and answer with the community. It's great that you are actually asking."

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You are right that roaming supports and junglers are the primary users here. Temporarily losing access to a sweeper is a cost for sure, but it still felt like the best place rather than overloading a button that already gets overwritten. The tower button could be an option here, and it was discussed but we felt the trinket fit better with what has already been established.

We avoided the minion button in part because that button is typically used for ability overrides (Senna and Thresh) because it is easy to reach in combat, the trinket button is a bit more out of the way and less likely to be used in combat (though still reachable when needed).

(Fun fact, Thresh was being developed at the same time we started work on this item so we had to figure these out alongside each other.)

That was our thinking too.

I'm going to do that designery thing that can be annoying but work with me here. How would you expect/want it to work?

We have something that I think works well, but this item does risk having a higher learning curve than others and I am particularly interested to see if the implementation is understandable/accessible at a glance.