TynanSylvester

Originally posted by Isaac_The_Khajiit

It was related to the general problem of large late-game mechanoid threats almost entirely obviating the need for players to have any economy at all, with the added problem that harder difficulty settings were in many ways easier because you got more resource deliveries from bigger raids. Economy was completely broken, and difficulties were inverted.

I'd like to add my 2 cents here about the problem I see with the late-game economy. Growing psychoid to make flake is incredibly easy once the initial struggles related to your biome have been solved, (getting greenhouses or hydroponics set up if you have a short growing season) and in the late game I usually have stacks of 400-600 flake sitting around at any given time just waiting for a trade ship to come take it off my hands. I could make a caravan to sell off the excess, but usually that feels like too much of a hassle when I can just wait for some to come to me.

On the other hand, when ...

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Originally posted by Cibranith

Thanks for clearing that up! Went to check why it was nerfed back then and the reasons given were mostly "economy" and "exploit" which made sense but also made me go "but why".

About the reward from raids I might have missed it so I checked again, they are droping from direct raids at a higher drop than clusters it seems, I got mostly clusters mid-game so that was the problem probably, clusters drop about 40%ish? of the raid drops (3700 points cluster vs raid, cluster gave 34 and raid dropped about 90)

I'll probably drop the reverse at mid game and see how it fares, on the meantime the helmets might help when 90% of the air turns into bullets from the turrets lol

Originally posted by dalerian

I get what you mean about a framing issue.

You're saying that if it were presented as "here's a prospect, take them as a colonist or get a debuff" that would feel different to "here's your new colonist, keep them or kick them out for a debuff."

We'd at least get the illusion of a choice, even if the outcome was the same.

Technically, that's probably correct. And yes, you could extend that to other events.

And to all the things I listed. The person who's uncomfortable turning away a dying diseased stranger is probably also uncomfortable selling a lethal pleasure-drug to strangers.

Does this kind of samaritan exist? Definitely (I'm probably one myself).

Would declaring that all colonists feel that way improve the game? I don't think so.

That's building a specific moral view onto the existing colonists (one they don't already have), reducing the storytelling scope.

• Want a bunch of isolationists, maybe b...

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Originally posted by ImAdrivan

Yeah but the issue is: the game makes a difference between killing a human (from another faction, or neutral) and killing a colonist. My colonists seem fine with us attacking visitors unprovoked (people just passing by), so they should be fine with us not taking in (or even killing) a refugee. Tbh i dont see why this event in particular has to be different than the regular transport pod crash

Originally posted by ImAdrivan

Im on OP's side on this. All that you said makes sense Tynan, except I dont know who invited the person to join the colony? The survivor crash landed. He is a stranger, not a colonist. If we want to help him, we can recruit him. Or we can take him as prisoner, or let him die. But who said he can join the colony just for crashing here?

Originally posted by NerdyBurner

I would prefer they functioned like the refugees where I can help them, then choose if they can stay, rather than being forced to accept a pyro with crappy skills just to be nice today.

Originally posted by dalerian

Thanks for replying, Tynan. I appreciate you taking time away from making the game to reply - though I'm unconvinced by the reasoning.

You could make exactly the same argument for every event that offers a colonist. Whether they're a regular crash landed person, someone fleeing raiders or whatever. For each of those, there's a choice of what kind of colony we area, which includes the choice to reject the person.

Except this one. For this event, there is NO choice, and it's not a dilemma, because a dilemma is built around a choice. This is a forced circumstance without any agency to make that decision, I only have choice on how I respond to a decision that's made for me.

The crashlanded person is automatically a colonist, like it or not. Which is the problem.

If this event worked like the other colonist-with-a-trade-off events, it would be great. We'd be making a choice - do we rescue this person and accept the costs, or do we refuse? Sometimes...

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