Originally posted by wargodiv

The spoilage mechanic looks great! I have a question though: do half-spoiled items stack the way science packs/ammo do? It would be quite inefficient if they didn't, but combining items can mess with the spoilage rate (two half-spoiled fruits spoil faster than a fresh one)

Edit: I suppose a stack can be stored as an array of how many 1%-100% packs is in a stack, displaying the 'sum' as how many full items you have and 'count' is used for the spoilage rate and inserters will extract the 'true' items, but maybe that's not the route the devs went for

Originally posted by mensabaer

TL; DR: Non-linear research value falloff curve could further incentivize speed-optimized building and deincentivize horizontal scaling

I don't think this was mentioned in the FFF but I thing a non-linear research falloff would be cool - incentivizing ASAP delivery of science packs even further by not only decreasing value over time but also eg. adding an increased bonus above eg. 70% or so (a percentage that is deemed reasonably achieveable with normal efforts)

Think 70% is the "target" reseach value of 1, below, it scales linearly (to not punish slower/inexperienced players too much) whilst above scaling exponentially to eg. 3 research value at 100% (which is impossible to achieve but deliberately lacks a cut-off point, which could be a fun challenge to push towards 100% as much as possible whilst also feeling more rewarding).

Reasoning is that this would introduce a challenge of time-dependend vertical scaling which is not as easily substituted by brute-h...

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Originally posted by Erfar

how modifiable are spoiledge? Is it in theory possible to make scince pack-downgrade-spoiledge? sol if you not use your space science it will slowly turn into yellow, then to blue then green and then you find that you could get all your red science just by spoiling space science?

Originally posted by pdelvo

I wonder how its going to work with the inventory. Im guessing spoilable things wont stack

Originally posted by CosmicNuanceLadder

Initial reaction was that I hated it. I've always disliked the notion of growing things in Factorio, as I feel that it obfuscates the timescale of the game. If you can grow trees in seconds with speed modules, does that still feel immersive...?

By the end of the FFF, I was sold. It's totally worth the new spoilage mechanic imposing new limitations on the factory. I'd never thought of that and yet it seems so obvious—getting an item from point A to point B in a given time immediately feels like a fundamental hurdle we were always supposed to overcome.

Gleba looks like a fantastic logistic challenge, as does Fulgora with its recycling mechanics. Vulcanus looks a bit vanilla in comparison at this point.

Originally posted by WerewolfNo890

I suspect the same SPM megabases will be possible as it will be done with fewer machines that have higher throughput at high quality. The question is more about can we go higher or not.

Originally posted by TheGuyWithTheSeal

You don't really need to update how spoiled every item is every tick. Most of the math can be done just by knowing when the item was created.

Only tricky part is knowing when an item has spoilt completly. Here i can see 2 sollutions:

• Priority queue of all spoilable items sorted by how much time they have left. Only the front of the queue has to be checked every tick. Insertion can be costly.

• Not doing any math when the item spoils, instead checking for spoilage when it's interacted with (processed, displayed, etc.). Probably requires more code changes (but it's pretty much what was done already for quality). Maybe breaks current production statistics logic.

Originally posted by TBTerra

is that confirmed anywhere? if so then i will need to tweak the graph, as i used 1.5, 1.75, 2, 2.25, 2.5

Originally posted by turbulentFireStarter

“Space exploration speed runners”

I’m sorry what?!? I need to watch these? What is a speed run? 100 hours?