What is
"So all it takes is to take everything personally, so everything that anyone tells to me and I don't like is personal attack and should be blocked or locked?"
If not whining to the mods?
complain to the mods that they aren't removing every post you don't like.
Its not this.
you haven't been arrested my man, free speech's still here. calm the f**k down, you were just being dumb.
Free speech isn't there long time ago. You can get arrested for saying (or writing) whole bunch of things. The point is, that once the social concensus is, that the territory of what is punishable by law should get bigger, the the laws can easily follow that.
Speaking from my own experience just now, news of this debacle is quickly reaching outside of this subreddit.
Surely you have enough awareness of how the internet works to know that doubling down here is suicide, right or not.
If you don't, well, I really hope your coworkers can reel you in before you do too much damage.
So the fact that someone defends free speech and strongly doesn't agree with censhorship/deplatforming techniques is suicide?
I'm not going to be scared off by some vocal minority on the internet. Either argue, or stop threatening.
How to chill? Put down the phone and go do something else. Get away from this because all you're doing is making things worse.
How is this bad PR? Well you're at the center of a politically charge argument on your developer account making yourself look like a right wing asshole. I pray I don't see an article in a couple days about how the creator of Factorio is a right wing asshole. The things you do and say as kovarex reflect on not only your reputation but Wube's as well. Stop this now because you have nothing to gain from it.
I don't know why do you think I'm not calm.I'm just trying to explain why deplatforming is wrong. I'm trying to argue for the free speech. How is this being right-wing asshole? The left/right wing terminilogy is all weird, and I'm probably nowehere on the left/right axe, as both sides (including center) sound bad to me. So I don't know how this has anything to do with any wing.
The problem is that "cancel culture" is a term often used by people that are unaware of their own instances of employing such behavior hypocritically.
Self-awareness is perhaps the most precious thing in this life, and its name is a poor reflection of the necessary component of seeing how we affect others.
The correct thing to do is to argue against arguments, not against people that say that. It is that simple.
Read moreI'll leave one recommendation: learn what it actually means to make an argument. Your comment did the following things, none of which were productive to your argument:
- "I made exactly the same mistake as the crowd calling everyone bigot"
- Hyperbole - you're exaggerating who gets called a bigot, when that's not the case. There are plenty of people not being called bigots, because there are plenty of people that aren't bigots (Uncle Bob is a bigot because he openly talks about his bigotry. There is no reason to believe Brian Kernighan is a bigot because he hasn't said anything I'm aware of that could display bigotry.)
- Provided the definition of a bigot
- This is good, actually - it means you learned something today :)
- You "safely" claim 99.99% of people are bigots "in one way or another".
- This is a baseless claim, not founded on any evidence or studies or anything of the sort. You're just making a claim ...
Ok, obviously not everyone. What I meant is that it is greatly overused, I expected this to be the way to express it.
Basically, if you have people with beliefes A and B, people from A call Bs bigots because they are attached to B and vice versa. In the end, it evolves into everyine who stands behind something being called bigot by someone.
Typical lol, whine about cancel culture and then complain to the mods that they aren't removing every post you don't like.
Why do you think I ever did something like that?
Dude, chill. You're making some really bad PR for yourself and we all know everything on the internet doesn't go away.
How? Explain it to me please. I beg you.
Dude, many others including myself looked up to you because of your work practices and how well the game is made.
You're basically digging your own grave by continuing to be hostile towards everyone that's calling you out.
Hostile? Digging my grave? Where did you take it from (apart the one sentence obviously). Just because I like to defend free speech?I'm just trying to explain, that free speech is more important than defending people from the chance of being offended on the internet. And I still hope, that people in the US still have some leftovers of understanding why freedom and free speech should be fought for.
I wonder if the developer knew or cared how many trans people actually loved this game. It's got its own cult following. Just f**king flushed on a random Friday morning on a whim.
I would like to understand what you are trying to say, can you elaborate please?
or you could just not use ad hominems or other kinds of hostile language when you're on a high horse talking about how you're more rational than people who are trying to tell you that you shouldn't promote somebody who has dismissed rationality. It's that easy.
You might be right, I might use arguments from the start next time, I kind of feel that it is important what are we dealing with, and assumed that the horrible consequences of cancel culture are generally obvious, so it is more important to define what it is first. But I have to say, that I made exactly the same mistake as the crowd calling everyone bigot (I had to search it up what it actually means, because it is now basically some kind of generic "I hate you" word).
So, according to google, this is what bigot means:
"obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction; in particular, prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."
I can safely say, that 99.9% of people are bigots in one way or another, people just want to become part of a "group" and then defend it, the arguments are then searched and crafted to help my group, not to search the truth, and then discussions devolve into sh...
Read moreLet me talk with the moderators and see if we make an exception for removing comments from Wube employees when they violate the rules, as I see what you are trying to get at.
EDIT: After a discussion, we've decided the rules apply to everyone, even an official person, and we've always had a policy of removing personal attack comments from the subreddit. kovarex's views are visible in his other comments in the chain, no meaningful information has been lost from leaving this comment removed.
Personal attack? So all it takes is to take everything personally, so everything that anyone tells to me and I don't like is personal attack and should be blocked or locked?
That's a pretty disappointing response. It's fine to disagree, but I thought as the founder of Factorio, you would have had more tact than that.
You might be right. But I just couldn't help it, this is not a question of agreeing or disagreeing, it is about the sneaky tactics of trying to compromise people by searching sh*t on them and the general idea, that ideas we don't like should be stopped by cencorship instead of counter-argumentation. With argumentation, you can fight back, and there is (at least in theory) a chance to find some truth and learn from it.But censorship? With that, it starts to be a war tactic more than anything else.
oh, that’s right, how many of your employees AREN’T cis white straight men?
I don't even know, because I don't profile people the way you do.
Yikes.
Uncle Bob is a racist piece of &*!# and a bigot.
I always had big respect for your development team, but now? You can shove it up your ass yourself.
I won't even search him up. You know why? Because I don't care at all. I don't care if he cheats on his wife, is a bigot, or pays proper tips in restaurant. These things are simply not relevant. If Stalin had a good writeup on programming, would linking that be dangerous, because some people might read it, start liking HIM, thus start liking communism and the ineviteble mass murder that follows it? Is this how little we trust other individuals when it comes to access to information? I personally trust my readers to have the ability to create their own opinions instead of blindly following whatever says the person they like.
You make things identical, you get hate from colourblind people.
You make things different, you get hate from OCD people.
(:
Because it looks better to have things a bit different. Those two plates actually took a few weeks to get done, they got a LOT of attention.
First off, thanks for the insights! As a developer myself, fully agree that it's very desirable to be in a place where refactorings are encouraged.
You probably need to be a bit more careful about promoting Uncle Bob though. I believe you probably haven't heard of it yet, but while his teachings certainly have their merits, he as a person is... controversial.Here's one summary but once you start searching there's a lot more to be found.
I know I know, politics and games don't mix well, but promoting a controversial person without any reservations _is_ a political act. So it might be worth considering to add a disclaimer. His actions and words have hurt a lot of (typically) underrepresented people and I'd personally prefer to avoid more people getting hurt by promoting him.
Take the cancel culture mentaility and shove it up your ass.
Edit:
Bigot according to google: "obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction; in particular, prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."
With this mentalitty, I would call anyone attached to the idea that deplatforming is a proper way to deal with stuff we don't like bigots. But I won't do it, I will prefer to explain why deplatforming is dangerous.
There is obviously big difference in historical experience. In Czech republic, we had naciz occupying us, then the communism followed by 20 years of occupation of USSR. We have very close experience with censorship, propaganda and totalitarian regime. There was a lot of deplatforming going on, when people would go to prison or would be executed because they listened to the wrong radio station. Everyone knew that the regime is horrible, but they weren't able to talk a...
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Hello,
long time no see :)
We obviously have a lot to talk about when it comes to the game changes we recently did, or plan to do, but we don't want to share any of it yet.
Yet, there is currently a topic very relevant to us and we can share it without revealing any specific changes to the game. Today's post will be quite technical and related to programming, so if you just came for the game news, you can safely skip this one.
Now that there are only developers here, I can share my new discovery of Uncle Bob and his really nice explanation of some of the fundamental principles related to programming project management, and more. If you...
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