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I did see the comment!

Your thought process is generally consistent with mine and it's why I posed those questions at the bottom of my ramble.

I think that looking at a skill's xp rates in a vacuum without considering other metrics is not a good way to evaluate whether or not a skill is good.

I don't think it's unreasonable that we could touch up the layout/interactions of some of the courses as part of this project.

The course just feeling bad to do (from a gameplay perspective) is very different to it feeling bad to do because of the xp rates.

The addition of a diary locked teleport similar to seers would inevitably make these locations easier to get to. Or were you specifically talking about getting to these courses before the proposed diary reward is unlocked?

I don't dislike the idea of looking at the marks of grace a course gives as another balancing metric as a potential solution. I'd need to think on it some more and actually dig out some numbers before coming to any real conclusions though.

The discussion about whether or not Agility should be a fast or slow skill was not really something we were planning to address with this project. We just wanted to create a more healthy meta and to make receiving unlocks while training it feel more exciting and meaningful.

Hopefully my response to another player above provides my thoughts to some of what you raised.

I think the reward aspect of agility is still something we should address and is completely separate from the xp rates of the skill. It simultaneously feels mandatory and underwhelming at the same time and shortcuts don't do enough.

Yeah, the slow and boring part is where Agility definitely sits. I still wouldn't want the change to just be "Make it fast and boring"

My hope is that the introduction of new content can resolve this issue. Sepulchre is only really meta from level 72 onwards (at the very least, it's not as fun to run floors 52 and 62 repeatedly) and I also don't think Sepulchre should be the be-all and end-all from 52-99 either, that was a very intentional design choice.

The proposal mentions a Brimhaven agility rework which I hope can scratch the itch of being fun while also providing more XP/hr at the relevant levels for those who want to pay more attention.

Hey, I'm going to try and explain the methodology for the process of reaching the numbers we did for the agility rework just for full transparency so that the full context is out there to be reviewed as to whether or not it is "good" or "bad". From this, I'd hope that the full context can aid in the discussion and help us get relevant feedback to review.

First up, the design goals were not to directly buff agility or nerf agility, we instead were looking at how content was positioned throughout the skill and to see if we could reach a healthier meta for agility as a whole and several things stood out to us.

1. Rooftops dominate the meta for the entire skill for most players, this is largely due to marks of grace.
2. Getting to your first course is very unintuitive.
3. The level 60 rooftop course (Seers) occupies a large place in the meta, basically taking most players from 60 to 90 unless they wish to do more pro-active methods of training. This is en...

It could do, but then build on it and run into other questions like:
- Do we both have to spend points to skip?
- Can we even skip in the first place?
- Does it respect both of our block lists, or neither?
- If it doesn't respect our block lists, is that fun?
- What's to stop me from getting a juiced-up task and just doing it solo?
- If Player A doesn't have Dragon Slayer completed, do we both get to avoid Dragons tasks?

Just a lot of considerations in terms of the way everything ties in together and balances that make it a little tricky for the team.

Then questions become:
- Do Player A and Player B need to be on the same task?
- If not, how does the game even track that you're specifically partnered up with this person? Slayer helmet can't apply if they're not on-task, is it worth it?
- If they do need to be on the same task, can Player A share tasks with Player B?
- How do we prevent somebody sharing a task and soloing it for double-duration barrage tasks?
- If they can't share tasks, is it fun for both players to need to align on the same task?
- If they can share tasks, what restrictions are in place to stop Player A sharing juiced tasks with Player B and giga-boosting B's Slayer gains?

The actual means of engaging with the system and preventing abuse, catching niche-cases like using alts to funnel into a main's Slayer grind in an unhealthy way, are complicated to solve in a really clean fashion!

They're in the table, but can understand that they might feel a little buried:

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Group Slayer isn't off the cards for the team, just that it's beyond the scope of Project Rebalance and probably wants to be a project all of its own. It's something we talk about a fair bit, but there's a lot that goes into it to try and deliver on the fantasy of you and your pals squadding up to dish death out, versus making it abuseable in a bunch of unintended ways.

Not off the table, just beyond what Project Rebalance is supposed to be!

Proposed changes, the team are not attached to any of them and are happy to chop and change! Not looking to implement anything until we've seen what people have to say about them all, and we've still got two more blogs after this one!

Depends on what people indicate they'd like to see in the survey - I'd be surprised for something like Verzik to be included (though lore-wise I get where you're coming from)

Will ask the team about this one again and see if their stance has changed, I know it'd be super popular with a lot of the really skilled Sepulchre-enjoyers!

Totally appreciate people feeling underwhelmed by Agility and expecting higher XP rates. Aim of these changes at this point is primarily to smooth out existing progression and make more courses worth engaging with so that players aren't parking up at one course for 20 levels at a time (unless they particularly like that course), but these changes don't rule out more significant work on Agility specifically in the future.

That being said, nothing in the works on Agility-specific overhauls or adjustments for the time being, these are just the suite of changes that came from the initial Game Jam proposal - and we'll be taking note of everything that comes in feedback-wise for any future projects that might focus solely on Agility rather than a whole bunch of skills and combat/NPC tweaks.

Pretty much yeah, moving the existing loot into that interaction (i.e. not increasing the output of Zalcano) and giving players some flexibility in terms of whether they value GP or XP more.

Part of the way the increase is achieved is by increasing that success rate, but I'm sure the team would be open to adding more Clues from Thieving if people want to see it happen!

Assuming you actually hit and pass accuracy check, the former - damage rolls from 5-max

Think /u/alpersena gets it mostly right, but the team aren't beholden to anything on here and if it's felt to be the wrong direction then it's easy for us to adjust the proposal and take parts out or add other parts in!