Old School Runescape Dev Tracker

Originally posted by pokegoing

I think the reason everyone is so upset about the nerf or the slow xp compared to rooftops is because they love the concept SO much. Currently I'm stuck at the boss of Sins of the Father but can't wait to get to darkmeyer to do the sepulchre. Agility has always been one of my favourite skills on concept (rooftops becomes soul draining tho) and was excited about the sepulchre since you showed it on live stream. Now that it seems sub optimal I cannot see myself using it much in the long run. What's your thoughts on the comparisons people make between AFK content and intensive content? Skill based content should be heavily rewarded. Not everyone can boss, not everyone can raid, not everyone can perfect the sepulchre. Reward them with loot and XP not marginally but heavily. I love the skill ceiling in OSRS, give players a reason to pursue that, and have less XP when afking.

Originally posted by B1GTRUCK

Is it possible to make the arrow statue animations more distinguishable? Maybe add a shadow or change the color before the animation happens? I use fixed mode on the original client and they’re really difficult to see.

Originally posted by OSRS-Jared

I wish you guys would grow a backbone and stop bending over backwards for the Twitter creatures in the max/high-level community. You personally know that this nerf is unwarranted, and you need to recognize that the max community is severely damaging the game with their whining.

Originally posted by Churus

I hate that reasoning. The majority are only at the sepulcher for hallowed marks. At least make the xp while gathering marks (you gather marks at seers, no?) comparable to methods from the same level.

If you're at sepulcher for xp and not loot then to be fair you deserve to make at least 5% over comparable, highly uninvolved training methods. To try and balance xp without loot is asking for dead content.

I can get marks, but is it worth the inefficiency over much less intensive methods? I can skip the marks, but is it worth all the extra effort when less intense alternatives are just as efficient?

Answer to both is no.

Originally posted by RideForKP

Yeah after maxing out at 57k xp/hr looting 2/3/4 at 88 agil then reading you're gonna f**king nerf it more is frustrating. It takes so much effort people deserve high xp rates.

Originally posted by UnluckyNate

Could a hallowed shop reward be added (maybe a hallowed lockick?) or the other shop rewards be tweaked to speed up the looting process somehow to bring looting more in line?

Originally posted by Sh4moo

If looting was significantly better than rooftops then not looting would be absolutely ridiculous

This is where I disagree. Rooftops are pretty good money as it is with marks of grace (especially ardy). I'm not sure what the gp/hr is at HS for different levels, but I don't think its anything too crazy. This on top of the fact that it's high effort training vs low effort, a substantial divide between both xp and gp seems very un-ridiculous to me.

Thank you for the amazing content though! I hope you know the criticism is only because we care <3

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Originally posted by Ender593

What's wrong with a heavily skill intensive and click intensive method at 92 agility beating a zero skill and low click method at 92 in terms of xp?

It's a great piece of content, I would rather a xp nerf come in the form of incentivizing looting so you have that choice and maybe the happy medium between loot and xp is lower xp than ardy, but you could choose to beat ardy if you wanted to get less loot.

Edit: ah, I think I misinterpreted the xp rates people are getting and the impact of the nerf.

Originally posted by BoulderFalcon

Hey Husky, just my opinion but I think you guys should really reconsider the xp nerfs. This content is much, much more engaging and punishing than rooftops. Why not reward that effort and focus? Really sad to see this nerf when I had been enjoying this content so much. Sepulchre needs to be as good as it was in order to make it worth the effort over rooftops.

Originally posted by Message_Me_Selfies

Thanks for replying.

Before the update you should were actually pretty consistently able to beat the rates of Ardougne if you didn't loot.

Is that only with 92+ agility though?

Because at 77 agility I'm feeling like I'm choosing between fun at Sepulchre and better xp rates for less effort on rooftops.

Even with no looting, I'm getting like a 5% increase in xp rates for way way higher effort and missing out on marks of grace. And that was pre-nerf. I might as well just do rooftop + alch or fletch for less effort.

I feel like shuffling some of the xp from floor 5 down to the earlier floors would be warranted.

I love the content, I'd love it even more if I felt like I was using my time well there.

Originally posted by Wolfie_Ecstasy

That feeling when you spent hours mastering the first 4 levels and were gonna wait until the xp buffs before coming back to it to max agility.

Crazy that this would be nerfed considering how insanely intensive it is. I actually enjoyed it but it wasn't worth all the effort for slightly boosted xp rates.

More dead content I guess. Suppose I'll be doing rooftops to 99.

Originally posted by Gamesst

For extremely high effort pre-92 the average player can get maybe 2K more xp/hr than rooftops and less xp than werewolf.. not exactly enticing. I guess for the 3% of people doing near-perfect play it will be a decent improvement.

Originally posted by superfire444

Before todays update you'd get 500+900+1600+3000+6500 = 12500 xp per lap. Lets say you do 10 minute laps so 6x12500= 75000k xp/h

After todays update you get 500+850+1500+2700+6000 = 11550 xp per lap so 6x11550=69300 xp/h.

In 10 minutes you could still loot all of floor 4 and 5. It's still the best xp/h for agility by a mile. If you'd go for xp only - only looting the grand chest (8min laps) you'd get 7,5x11550 = 86625 xp/h.

How is that bad?

And before you come at me saying "yea but this is 92+"

If you do the first 3 floors only - assuming 40s floor 1 + 50s floor 2 + 90s floor 3 (all 3 are quite slow) you'd get 500+850+1500 = 2850 xp per 3mins -> 20x2850 = 57000 xp/h. Not bad for level 72 agility. Do note that this is slow and you can probably achieve 60k xp/h+

Originally posted by Message_Me_Selfies

But why nerf floors 1-3 at all?

At level 72 Agility (and all the way to 81) you are getting less xp than you would be at seers course, and it takes way more effort. Also its locked behind a hard quest.

The rewards are not anywhere near good enough to make up for that. Currently its not even semi-viable compared to rooftops until 82 agility, and doesn't actually become good until 92.

Originally posted by hbnsckl

Why are the new arrows so high in the air? Makes them so much more difficult to see with a lowered camera, like when you're scouting out the statues.

Originally posted by theatlantis_rs

I honestly don't understand the "art direction"? is something being changed? or was it just an explanation about the process of art? The hydra concept looks amazing and I can't stop thinking about how good it would have been looking in RS2 HD