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Originally posted by BioMasterZap

You could say the same for Slayer being more of a complex action than a simple action, especially if you consider say a Hydra Task with the boss. Though I would agree that dungeoneering floors can be fairly complex, but other skills wouldn't need to be that level of complexity.

I think it depends on where you draw the line of minigame. I'd say it has to do more with how you present the content than the core mechanics. For example, if Dungeoneering didn't earn reward tokens with all its rewards in a reward shop and it was trained in multiple locations round the world instead of just one central location, it would feel a lot less like a minigame even if it was still a game within a game in a sense. Slayer is pretty close to a minigame with how its reward points and shop work; just remove the levels and make the new monsters unlock with points after X tasks and it could be a minigame. Yet despite this, it still works pretty well as a skill.

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Originally posted by Saddams_Zucchini

Probably this? Although imo it looks pretty awful.

Originally posted by SAITAMA_666

Also, I really don't think Thaumaturge effect will be a hard thing to get to pass honestly. Everybody knows magic is by far the weakest of the combat triangle in terms of PvM(not only the weakest, but super expensive) and even changing the attack speed to 4 ticks on the Standard spellbook would still have it being weaker than Ranged and Melee.

But this would REALLY spice it up! This Thamaturge effect is something you should push on imo.

Originally posted by cusebean

While you’re here and gathering feedback, my 2 cents:

Magic is the least used combat style due to both the cost of runes, and the limited monsters/bosses it’s actually useful against. As a mid-high level player, the only places I use magic are Zulrah, bursting dust devils/nechs during slayer, and barrows. In the case of the latter two, magic is only viable because the monsters have such low magic level you’ll pretty much never splash, and you’re better off using melee/prayer armor since there’s no need for magic accuracy.

Since I almost never care about magic accuracy, a skill based around crafting equipment for it feels like a significant effort towards content that would be used so infrequently. If magic was in a better spot, I’d be more excited about warding.

Even disregarding the state of magic, I don’t see the tank oriented sets ever being useful. Low level players never use splitbark/lunar/skeletal over alternatives now, so I don’t think higher level p...

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Originally posted by BioMasterZap

As for the faster elemental spells on a ring - that’s a difficult thing to get to pass! Mixed with the tome of fire, it would be devastating, so that (if reduced to a single item) would need to be something wielded in the offhand slot. Something like a new book I can see working.

What about a 2H Staff instead? It would limit your choice of staff, but it may be a neater way to go about it than another book. With a book, it feels like it would too directly try to rival the Tome of Fire. But perhaps if we did see an Elemental Staff from merging all the combo staves, in addition to providing all elemental runes and giving the Smoke Staves 10% Accuracy and Damage, it could make Elemental Spells cast a speed quicker at the cost of being 2H?

Originally posted by BioMasterZap

From what I've seen, I think players want to take the "simple action repeated over and over" less directly in future skills. Sailing and Dungeoneering both have repetition in a similar way to Slayer; you can summarize Slayer with "you do a task, then you do another" much like Dungeoneering is "you clear a floor and kill the boss, then you do another". But while there is a sort of repetition, the repetition isn't as frequent as "you mine a rock, then you mine another rock" or "you put an orb on a staff, then you put an orb on another staff"; in the time you clear a dungeon or complete a slayer task, you would have mined 100s or rocks or made 100s of battlestaves.

In addition, each dungeon and task can differ enough from the previous to make it feel less repetitious even if it is the same general concept repeating. With Sailing, I think players are looking for a similar experience to those. Some versions of the skill can be directly compared to those repeating cycles; somethi...

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Originally posted by SAITAMA_666

The new items/enhancements that Warding introduced to the game all felt like dead conent to me. I'll just copy and paste my post from the last Blog, where I went over the rewards for training Warding, which I just couldn't see their value. Therefore I had no interest in the skill and it seemed dead content to me. I also suggested rewards for training Warding that personally interested me and seemed useful. If Warding had useful and enticing rewards/benefits for training it then I would vote yes.

Some cool effect ideas here, and I myself have suggested the effect of lowering Standard Spellbook combat spells by 1 tick a few times via a new ring.

The problem I have here with these set effects, is that they all require a helmet, that means no Slayer/PvM and no Castle Wars. Where would we use these set effects? The Thaumaturge effect is something I have wanted in the game forever, but not bound to an entire armor set.

And we aren't taking Pa...

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Originally posted by thugga7

The fact that a skill such as Sailing was polled which had the possibility to do the skill with my friends. Something we could all go out and do together, make money, fight "bosses", explore areas and have a good time. I don't think Warding offered this and that's why I voted no. I want a new skill, but not Warding.

Originally posted by Lonely_Beer

Oh of course - and the collaborative effort on Warding was a testament to the investment that your team had in trying to bring this skill to OSRS in its best possible form.

That said, how does the result of this poll affect future resource allocation decisions knowing that despite a heavy investment of time, money, and effort on the part of you the developers there would still be a substantial chance that the skill proposal wouldn't pass? That's really the point I was trying to get at in my post.

Originally posted by Lonely_Beer

Highly doubt they'd give another skill the amount of design treatment and tweaking as Warding again because that's a ton of time, effort, and money to pour into something that still probably won't pass.

Originally posted by RealStokenut

I voted no. I'd love to see a new skill added to the game but with Warding, all I saw was an absolute ton of dead content on release. It was pretty much a whole skill to bridge the mage armour gaps.

Originally posted by FrostyRDT

Hey I'm glad you guys are keeping your chins up. I disliked some aspects of the skill but I still want a new one to happen and I think you guys have shown a great amount of growth in how you approach the pitching of the new skills.

Is there going to be an attempt to harvest some kind of qualitative data to assess why people disliked Warding? I would be happy to give my thoughts in a survey if it brings a new skill closer to the game.

Originally posted by waffle_fry

Might as well stop trying. 30% of the community doesn't want a new skill.