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Originally posted by dalerian

I get what you mean about a framing issue.

You're saying that if it were presented as "here's a prospect, take them as a colonist or get a debuff" that would feel different to "here's your new colonist, keep them or kick them out for a debuff."

We'd at least get the illusion of a choice, even if the outcome was the same.

Technically, that's probably correct. And yes, you could extend that to other events.

And to all the things I listed. The person who's uncomfortable turning away a dying diseased stranger is probably also uncomfortable selling a lethal pleasure-drug to strangers.

Does this kind of samaritan exist? Definitely (I'm probably one myself).

Would declaring that all colonists feel that way improve the game? I don't think so.

That's building a specific moral view onto the existing colonists (one they don't already have), reducing the storytelling scope.

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Originally posted by ImAdrivan

Yeah but the issue is: the game makes a difference between killing a human (from another faction, or neutral) and killing a colonist. My colonists seem fine with us attacking visitors unprovoked (people just passing by), so they should be fine with us not taking in (or even killing) a refugee. Tbh i dont see why this event in particular has to be different than the regular transport pod crash

Originally posted by ImAdrivan

Im on OP's side on this. All that you said makes sense Tynan, except I dont know who invited the person to join the colony? The survivor crash landed. He is a stranger, not a colonist. If we want to help him, we can recruit him. Or we can take him as prisoner, or let him die. But who said he can join the colony just for crashing here?

Originally posted by NerdyBurner

I would prefer they functioned like the refugees where I can help them, then choose if they can stay, rather than being forced to accept a pyro with crappy skills just to be nice today.

Originally posted by dalerian

Thanks for replying, Tynan. I appreciate you taking time away from making the game to reply - though I'm unconvinced by the reasoning.

You could make exactly the same argument for every event that offers a colonist. Whether they're a regular crash landed person, someone fleeing raiders or whatever. For each of those, there's a choice of what kind of colony we area, which includes the choice to reject the person.

Except this one. For this event, there is NO choice, and it's not a dilemma, because a dilemma is built around a choice. This is a forced circumstance without any agency to make that decision, I only have choice on how I respond to a decision that's made for me.

The crashlanded person is automatically a colonist, like it or not. Which is the problem.

If this event worked like the other colonist-with-a-trade-off events, it would be great. We'd be making a choice - do we rescue this person and accept the costs, or do we refuse? Sometimes...

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Originally posted by azrael6947

Think you could do some patchy-patch?

Originally posted by cuddlebuff

You can turn the Marraige Spot!?!

Damnit.

Originally posted by -desdinova-

My issue with this is that since a reactionless drive exists, there's no reason you can't accelerate to any arbitrary fraction of light speed. At a constant 1g acceleration it takes a little less than a year to accelerate to 99% of light speed. Because of relativistic time dilation, if you're going fast enough, the time elapsed during a journey perceived by the crew could be many times less than the time perceived by a stationary observer. Basically, any ship equipped with a Johnson-Tanaka drive is a potential starship.

Once you accelerate to 99.9% c, a journey of 10 light years would take less than 6 months from your perspective - just add a year to speed up and a year to slow down. You wouldn't even need cryptosleep caskets for many interstellar journeys.

Originally posted by Papergeist

Does this mean that trade ships don't travel between planets?

I ask because I'm not sure how that would work, and had generally assumed trade ships did indeed make the long hauls to other systems, while the Rim system was a nameless rock along the way to a real destination.

It seems pretty cool, but I've got a ton of questions about it too. Where do trade ships come from, do they have bases planetside, how do they maintain themselves, are they even manned at all, and why is it they can't assemble the means to make a long-haul trip to barter their way to a better world with space oddities.

I'm prone to making up lore, but if we've got more somewhere, I'd like to devour it.

Originally posted by Nightfish_

I don't think I said they should be equal and framing my point as such seems a bit unfair. I explicintly said:

"It doesn't have to be equal or even better"

But being cut off from the anima tree when the empire path does not do that seems really, really weird. Especially since the game doesn't tell you that. At least, I don't think it does. I'll double check the quest text next time but I don't remember it saying anything about that.

Between the lack of permits, the harder raids, losing out on the empire as a trading partner and having no speech from the throne mood buffs, the deserter path would still be harder if it allowed you to use the anima tree and gave you something else on top of that.

Again, let me clarify that I don't mind that the deserter path is harder. What I do mind is that you're cutting yourself off from a lot of tools by choosing that and some of that seems incredibly arbitrary, which is probably my bigg...

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Originally posted by AlexImHi

I love how shoopy has majestic eyes while the cows in the back got big ass foreheads

Originally posted by Nightfish_

It didn't start that way tho imo, OG nobles were a serious trade-off.

Yes, absolutely! Having to have multiple throne rooms and several pawns unable to work was a HUGE tradeoff! While I agree that that was a bit much, I feel when they "buffed" the noble path, they should also have done something for the deserter path. It doesn't have to be equal or even better, but perhaps it doesn't need to be shooting myself in both feet, full auto.

Right now it's like... it's like picking between two guns but the worse gun has even more drawbacks. Pick the bolt action rifle or a charge lance but if you pick the bolt action rifle you do not get to sniper rifles ever... How is that even a choice? And why is that related? D:

Originally posted by IndianaGeoff

Ex wife. Number 3.