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I'll send this over to the team to double check, thank you :)

What was your setup and what XP/h were you seeing if you don't mind me asking?

Well we wanna do 110's for everything so 110 Fishing has to come eventually right :P

We're not really doing any new training methods, unless we hit a point where we absolutely have to. We might do mechanical tweaks here and there if required, but we're mostly trying to stay consistent with the skill's foundational designs.

Mod Jack has a section on this in the blog we released back in May under the "Would it come with a new training method?" section

(would recommend giving the whole blog a read in general though :) )

We have a fix for this in-progress, we're aiming for next Monday's release :)

I've been investigating this since release. I'd be curious what your set-up is when mining (gear+level etc)?

From what i can see from our balancing and live rates, and even what's being reported on the wiki, Primal is a better method. Mining has this quirk that the levelling benefits can greatly affect XP output, so what you might find at the staring levels of a tier of metal is that your XP is reduced because you've yet to unlock those benefits. This is especially true if you're not using a Primal or L&D pickaxe.

I'm seeing that now between my 120-all/BiS gear on main vs. my Ironman M&S pure (don't laugh). But still i'd be curious in what your setup is, i don't want to sound like i'm brushing off the comment.

Oo thanks for raising! This is an oversight, i'll ping this across to the team and get it looked at, maybe the suggestion of requiring the sword trim makes sense now or maybe we just make the name more generic.

Appreciate it :D

This is the default idea for sure, when i say "immediate future" for Primal, i mean possibly giving it this and not worrying about the rest of Smithing armours for now until Sponge's changes come out.

However, i'd like for anything we do to fit in with the wider plan so that when that comes to fruition, it just slots in and makes sense in the grand scheme of things.

Hey everyone!

We're now 2 weeks in to the release of 110 Mining & Smithing and have already started early development on 110 Woodcutting & Fletching. We've been keeping an eye on all your feedback and conversations surrounding both the 110 M&S update itself and 110 updates as a whole and I've been personally hanging out in various Discords and other social media, reddit included, reading and taking part in discussions. Today I wanted to let you know how we're taking this feedback onboard and our plan going forward, as well as what it might mean for future 110 updates. Starting with the 110 Mining & Smithing update:

Masterwork 2H Sword

While our intentions were to create a modest and accessible weapon, we can see the clear desire for new rewards like this to satisfy more. Internally, we've been discussing the strategy for 110's going forward and what impact they need to have upon being introduced into the game. Some of these conversations ha...

We'll make it something else and call the achievement "All my homies hate Aetherium"

This is something i’d like to look at in the background, without the intention of buffing or nerfing anything specifically. Just overall reducing the frequency and quantities from various sources, maybe in some cases outright removing/replacing them.

Mickey misspoke a bit here as we never intended to add a passive or spec to the Sword, as we detailed in our blog way back in May.

Since Monday's release we've been discussing the feedback on the sword and Primal equipment (and everything else) and what desires there are from players. Mod Jack spoke a bit about it on the livestream yesterday during the skilling section.

Baseline is we'd love to look at things like the melee M&S armours as a whole, not just Primal, as any changes we'd intend to make for that would propogate throughout the entire skill (or start at a certain tier like level 70) for consistency reasons. It's worth stating though that these sorts of changes would most likely be their own update, one under the purview of the combat team.

Similarly, we've discussed the feedback on Masterwork weapons and what's to be expected of the updates, and been looking at ways to deliver on the desires here too. Once we're more concrete on 110 Woodcutting & F...

Thanks for the write up Rubic!

Thanks for reporting, this actually turned out to be a separate issue to the plots not giving XP post 99. Will aim to get this fixed for next week too :D

This is a known issue we're aiming to fix for next Monday. Thank you for reporting :)

Hi all, let's get into this!

First up, repair costs, I'm assuming here you got the 57.6m figure from the wiki. Those figures are incorrect. I've asked the wiki folks and it looks like that was just a small error on their part (this should be updated on wiki now). Fwiw, a fully broken +5 Primal platebody only costs 1.5m to repair. This number is actually closer to around ~650k with level 110 Smithing and repairing at your PoH armour stand or an invention Whetstone.

Second, Primal is primarily intended as the training function for 110, it's not intended as a new all powerful must-have armour. In much the same way that other smithing armours are (mostly) for training purposes, Primal follows this precedent. Maybe this is on us for how it was marketed or how we spoke about it in our blogs and livestreams.

The reason for this is the intention that was set with the M&S rework as well as being careful not to tread on the toes of PvM and other reward spaces. Will ch...

Still this year, actually ;)

The design objective was to make a high tier tool that felt valuable as it would take some good time and effort to create. Adding in the feature of a D&D made sense, but we went back and forth of "is this the right thing to do if it's not reworked"

If we didn't add it as a step, it'd be too short of a grind, and there's not too much else we could plug in to that felt appropriate. But we also wouldn't be able to add it later once it does get a rework because that would be weird - do you see the dilemma?

Another objective of the creation process was to make something that could be adapted to other skills, e.g. the tier 100 Woodcutting hatchet that will come with 110 Woodcutting & Fletching - in the same way that the process is standard for T90/99 tools of smashing Imcando + Crystal together. So you can imagine that one incorporating the Evil Tree in place of the Shooting Star.

RE: Wildy star, yeah good shout, we can discuss adding it to that for sure.

That's it, I'm calling a sickie on the next release day i'm involved in

I think most folk would agree that delaying an entire update like this, the headline update for the month, just so that we can rework shooting stars as a D&D is actually not ideal. That'd be major scope-creep.

The core objective with 110 update is to deliver on our promises and deliver consistent and frequent enough skilling updates to give players things to do, goals to chase, money to make etc.

Delaying it in the name of reworking one aspect of it goes against that objective. As much as we would have loved to do it, and believe me we tried, we can't let perfection get in the way or otherwise we'd never release anything.