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so theyre bringing back nexus blitz or whatever its called? i cant remember the last time i played URF. is it possible that Riot will throw 2 gamemodes at the same time?
No Nexus Blitz for the summer event.
so theyre bringing back nexus blitz or whatever its called? i cant remember the last time i played URF. is it possible that Riot will throw 2 gamemodes at the same time?
No Nexus Blitz for the summer event.
Do all 164 champs have an augment?
They're not champion specific. You could get a doublecast Syndra ult or a doublecast Galio ult or whatever (though they're not all equally common and there's a pretty large pool of them...)
Bruh I can't hear "2v2v2v2" without imagining Scooby Doo saying it with a shit eating smirk on his face 😭
...and now I can't either. Thanks for that.
Just curious, are there any other items that are getting substantial changes that weren't mentioned in the article? Not asking for specifics on which ones did, just wanted to know if there's going to be anything else for maybe some other legendary items (Like stormrazor, bt or others)
Lots - should be on PBE soon. Stormrazor and Bloodthirster both have significant changes.
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Discussing what we can do there. We're taking a look at Maw of Malmortius and Force of Nature degree of hardcountering, and one of the motivations for moving Shieldbow out of the Mythic space was that a rushable AD + Lifesteal + anti-burst item on Irelia, Yasuo, etc has really dramatic repercussions on how Mages feel to play in mid lane. But this isn't the same as feeling like your own items are more fun or more balanced. Mages are harder to do simple numbers tuning on, because there's such a gap in their solo queue vs pro play performance - in pro they're already the top of the meta. So, we're looking into it, but there's no guarantee of a direct item change to Mage items at midseason.
But what about divine sunderer. The item breaks toplane.
We're considering a nerf or change, but I'm not willing to net nerf Fighters in top lane at this time so preferring a buff-the-competition approach.
will rek sai be look into her kit since the prowler claw has the dash removed?
Yes, with a goal to ship alongside the item changes. There's some risk that the patch date slips still, but we understand that she needs it.
Bit off topic, but I still somewhat hope they return to experimenting with items on ARAM.. just throw some wacky ideas out there and see what could maybe work
No better testing ground than it
ARAM players don't deviate from the Summoner's Rift item set often enough to yield much data, even when the ARAM items are grossly OP, unfortunately. They'll play alt builds using SR items at a very high rate, but ARAM-only items are apparently a really tough sell to that audience.
I'd still like to do some more of it someday, but its hard to prioritize something we know won't impact the experience very much.
Annoyed they only barely mentioned fighters/brusiers itemization. I can name 4 champs I've seen use trinity force or stridebreaker this season. 3 if you don't count Ezreal lmao. It's always either divine Sunderer or lethality. And of the new lethality turns out to be bad for top laners it's just gonna be divine Sunderer 24/7. Maybe a tank mythic if you're "lucky".
Looking at straight buffs to Sterak's Gage, Goredrinker, Trinity Force, and Stridebreaker, and possibly something for Hullbreaker. Those will be direct buffs to existing mechanics - not really what this article is about.
Making the adc capstones into mythics seems fine to me but what champs that currently build galeforce are going to still buy galeforce when they have to choose between it and IE/QB? Unless theyre reworking Gale to also function as a capstone item I cant really see it being built very often.
Galeforce has significant changes in place to ensure that it still has a place in the system.
Since Nilah didn’t hit hard enough, do you think she might be a candidate for a mini-rework or something akin to that, in order to push her into a better direction?
Or will she probably stay the way she is?I‘m asking this because some recent champions (Neeko, Rell) were announced for a mini-rework for reasons that apply to Nilah as well.
She could be - but I will say that engagement with Nilah looks pretty different from, say, Rell. She found an audience, it's just not a huge one. Rell, on the other hand, is one of the least popular champions in the entire game, and not particularly deeply played even among players who play her.
So if we can find something cool, awesome, but it's not mandatory in the same way. Nilah's in an ok state in terms of audience; the point I was making is just that Nilah didn't move a whole bunch of melee carry players into bot lane or anything like that.
Axes, this is a mega-dumb unrealistic suggestion, but what if in 13.9 sunderer lost the tank drain skewed healing entirely? Ham-fisted but would solve the shit feeling of Divine basically being the most well rounded of the mythic set at the moment.
I think this would be a good band-aid until preseason. Divine would do a bit more bonus damage to tanks, like now, but no more draining. You want drain? you go Gore.
Trinity would shine better at this point as well.
I'd definitely agree that distinction between Fighter Mythics is a problem (and yes, Sunderer could stand to lose a property). Suspect we'll just be looking at simple tuning
But another problem they have is that they're not all that important to the patterns of Fighters - you'll buy them because they're very efficient with the stats you need to operate, but is it actually important that you have to choose between Goredrinker and Trinity Force, other than the fact that being able to buy both would make you statistically overpowered?
This ties into some of the problems we're having with the Mythic system in general, which we'll be talking about in the not-too-distant future.
Is major changes to the map something that is also considered by the team? Not like elemental rifts were it depends on factors during the game but more like changing jungle pathing or the shape of the outer lanes
I'm not sure if this would be a solution but I'm curious if the scope goes as far as those kind of changes if you guys find it as a possible solution
Eventually yes, this year almost certainly no. We'd like to be able to change the environment more than we currently can (almost not at all), but it requires people with pretty specific skillsets, and our tooling in that area needs improvements for us to be able to do it more regularly.
Is the team looking to change game flow? Macro/strategy wise it has been extremely stale and predictable. 8 min herald, drakes, etc…
I really hope preseason is large scope. The game needs a huge shuffle, that was preseason is historically known for. Last couple have been so boring tbh. Evolution is a core design value to League.
Potentially yes, strategy is something that is on the table for changes for preseason.
As I said in a different comment, though, we're still scoping so I'm not committing to anything specific there right now.
Yeah, I think it's all really unfortunate. I don't remember S2-3 very well anymore, but I liked 8.11; having one role be so class-locked when all of the other roles have more options just doesn't feel right.
The only thing I can think of would be to explicitly say "we're going to balance certain mages around bot lane instead of mid lane", but then you risk upsetting those champs' existing playerbases, so you might just have to release new non-marksman champs designed for bot lane? Did people like Nilah?
Did people like Nilah?
Not enough, but they did like Pyke enough to swap roles for. I personally suspect the difference is that if you like the thing Pyke does, he's the coolest champion in the game, whereas for a melee carry player, Nilah doesn't hit hard enough to get you to swap lanes just to access her, whether you'd like to play her or not in your main role.
So overall pretty bullish on that sort of direction, but we have to be careful with the targets we pick and have clear reasons why we expect to hit them.
I am really curious what they do with this honestly. Making minions in a lane give less/more gold/xp than others seems weird and counterintuitive.
I think we'd change them more than that if we went that direction. "There are different minions in the lanes", rather than having them look the same but give slightly differently tuned rewards.
But we're not at all committed to that direction, it's just an easy example of the type of thing that might give us another tuning lever.
it doesn't matter how many mages are viable in bot lane - players who want to play them are mostly not queuing into bot lane
But this is kind of the expected result when you have half the community locked into the mindset of "bot lane = ADC = marksman class", right? New players who like mages are told that they should play them mid or even sup, so they never queue up for Veigar bot, despite how strong it's been.
Yes - and in 8.11, when we said "Hey, we're making absolutely sure non-ADCs are viable in the lane", the reaction wasn't a bunch of non-ADCs playing the lane, it was mostly people continuing to play ADCs while being sad about it. Getting players to change their behavior would require significantly more than that.
Honestly, we probably had to respond to the ADC-only meta in bot lane in something like season 2-3 if we wanted to head it off. People are so entrenched at this point that it's a bit hard to see what would get them to change.
It kind of sounds like, at least until preseason, they're satisfied with nerfing early drakes, nerfing marksman items, and buffing Death's Dance; I don't think we can expect a Teleport revert any time soon.
I expect to be doing some item tinkering after MSI (e.g. buffing up the non-Sunderer fighter mythics, maybe with a Sunderer nerf). But we don't have any really large changes planned for the next few months.
I agree, but mostly because when everyone in the top echelon gets nerfed, you still need to figure out what else is on top. There's a lot of decent tier 2 picks right now, but pros go for the tier 1 picks (all of which were nerfed on 13.7), so it's not nearly as clear what the following tier 2 picks are.
We're looking at a set of pro-targeted jungler buffs for 13.8 to supplement those nerfs.
Hey Axes I know preseason is still a ways out but would the focus be on the role tuning (like how this year’s was on jungle) or would it be a side project part of preseason
We're still scoping things.