RiotDashiJador

Originally posted by RDLupin

u/RiotSentanel u/RiotDashiJador - I was sad to see that the queue was taken down today. Was there a reason it got taken down early (10/3 instead of the originally stated 10/10)?

Originally posted by Caenen_

Yep this is some fallout from changing affects flags for Beta Bots I am fairly certain. Vex R is a single spell (not a wrapper spell + missile spell composite implementation) which means the missile hits whatever the spell is told it's affects (allied champions, enemy champions, ..., enemy minions, neutral minions, wards, etc). Last patch, Vex R affected enemy champions, enemy and neutral minions and so on, and then the spell script decided what it should do whtn a unit was hit (if it doesnt have String Tag "champion", deal damage and keep going, if it's tagged a "champion", stop the missile, deal damage and put the mark on the target & enable recast). Now the missile just has enemy champions set as hittable.

The change here is probably for bots to better understand what a spell does (Vex Bot would have probably shot the ult at minions before to clear a wave or something), but with some misinformed understanding of what changes for a spell in which case. There are a handful...

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Originally posted by ItsEvgen

After lastest PBE patch new bots game doesn't event want to start. I tried 3 times and after everyone picked, it just kicks me back to home screen.

Originally posted by Frostzera

Played again today and can say the bots felt a bit better, Lux can use E's second cast and it's nice to see them hover towards one side of the lane on mid depending on the jungler's position. The builds are better than the ones on live, but the runes are the same default ones, Grasp for resolve main, Electrocute for domination, PTA for precision and Comet for sorcery, but even in this case, champions like Ahri are using comet, although electrocute would be better and is used by other champs like Rengar. Played the games i used as base for this report on patch 13.20 on PBE

Originally posted by MiraHighness

I've played two games, and I think they're amazing — I'm only surprised with the ADC bot taking (summoner spell) Heal while the Enchanters take Ignite or Exhaust, while building heal & shield power items. I personally think it should be the other way around.

I haven't seen the jungler bot gank in my games yet.

I understand they're Intro bots, but I also find it strange how they gather one for one at the drake objective (ADC standing there alone for quite some time, leaving them too vulnerable).

I've played with bots since 2011, I'm happy they finally get worked on. Thank you for this update.

Originally posted by ItsEvgen

Played a few games of new bots, and I'd like to give my portion of feedback regarding that.

General:

• Can't use Flash to attempt for escape or maybe even not using spells in general

• Doesn't seem like trying to avoid global ults (like Pantheon R) and even when I use for example Ezreal ult just in front of bots they aren't attempting to run from it

• Once one bot didn't care at all when Nexus Turrets were under attack and was keep farming near second lane turret (GameID: 4460030945)

Lux Bot:

• Not using second E cast

• Trying to damage with W (casting it together with E)

Tristana Bot:

• Seems like playing too aggressive sometimes for Intro bot

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Originally posted by TropoMJ

I've left some feedback on other comments but just wanted to say this was a fun test. The bots actually having a jungler is such a win for the quality of bots, and the laners actually went to reasonable lanes and bought fairly sane items (Crown rush Lux support?), which is also a big improvement. It was honestly very fun seeing them try to take dragons and fighting them there - maybe it's just the novelty but I think that will be enjoyable and helpful for new players to see rather than just a non-stop laning phase until you win.

I was playing with my boyfriend and we both agreed that these were still extremely easy, but if this is the quality of intro bots then I'm looking forward to seeing the level that beginner and then intermediate bots will play at. Not in terms of "it'll be fun for them to be challenging" (although harder bots will be fun), but it just seems like there's so much room for massive gains in the new player experience with this quality level for bots.

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Originally posted by SanicScoot

Much nicer than the previous bots overall. I like that they do objectives and seem to use their abilities more like an actual person (I actually have to be worried about getting hit by CC)

Also, will there be a dev article about this test? Digging through patch notes or trying to remember date from the previous article is a bit out of the way and I feel like a decent chunk of people will forget that there's even a test going on rn.

Some things I want to note:

I think the Bots should leash their Jungler, otherwise I can just walk up by myself to the Kha'zix bot on blue level 1 with little to no consequence

Counter Jungling is a bit wonky, the Kha'zix bot went to our side of the Jungle took some camps and then pathed behind our midlane tower and took a bunch of turret shots got executed

Maybe it was just the game I was in but the ganks were very telegraphed as in the bot walked over minion vision

Bots with CC skillshots (Morg Q, Ahri ...

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Originally posted by Caenen_

Certain spells are having their affects flags changed, completely changing their functionality. Vex R is one such example, since 13.19 the missile only hits enemy champions rather than minions and monster as well.

Changing the affects flags of spells for the Bot's implicit understanding of what can be targeted only works if it uses a composite implementation (wrapper + missile spell) where the cast targeting of a location-targeted wrapper doesnt really care for what units it's set to affect, but a spell that also spawns the missile itself WILL make the missile respect those affects flags.

Are you aware of these types of changes? (Especially since a seizable batch launched right into Worlds patch, 13.19)

Originally posted by Compscitutorr

I'm curious - what are the 3 core queues? Are they higher difficulty bots?

Originally posted by Steveven3

I played another game to be sure, but no, they use the defaults runes in-game too. Maybe this feature has not yet been implemented in this version?

Originally posted by Steveven3

Hmm.. could it be that recommended runes simply have wrong data on the PBE since it doesn't have regular players or something? I swear when i played yesterday they were still using 1 of the old 4 starting rune pages (Had 3 bots with arcane and domination, rengar with Electro and Precision, and Nasus with grasp)

But if that's the plan anyway, I'm glad to hear it!

Originally posted by Steveven3

I just wanted to say that, unless you already intended that, you should make bots take recommend runes and summoner spells, similar to how they already do with items.

Originally posted by Alpha__Mod

Will this bot change come to customs too?

Originally posted by Spideraxe30

Would you know if the bot rewrite would fix bugs like bots rage quitting and sitting in fountain

Originally posted by TropoMJ

Not criticising the approach (I'm sure there are lots of positives), but does that mean that you'll be in a spot where intro bots are ready to hit live but they might need to wait a good few months or even more to go live as they need to wait for beginner and advanced to be done? How does your team feel about potentially having to sit on great new intro bots while they work on the other difficulties?

Originally posted by AobaSona

I wanted to know: Though intro bots are coming first on PBE, is the plan for all difficulties to ship together on live?

Cause I feel like easy bots are probably the most important, you only play a few games on intro but then you need to practice a lot against easy bots before moving to medium and/or normals. It's also the best place to test champions.

Originally posted by hey-peachy

hello!

jumping in on that point because I've seen that behavior so often though they do it around wolves too most of the times. Any plan to also have the bots seek the Akshan out in the jungle as well or maybe just straight up have them be flagged for using e over X amount of time and if they repeat the offense the account is automatically suspended since that technique is only ever used continuously by smurfs/account sellers?

Originally posted by NicknameMy

Wouldn't it be easier to have a script detect if an Akshan swings longer than 1 Minute and flag them for a ban?It is more common tho for them to swing around Wolves.

Even easier would be to actually decide on that Akshan's swing shouldn't go longer like 30 seconds.