Again, you're assuming that based on the average, but for some its not going to be far less, for me playing ARAM this is a nerf because for the 33 minutes i need to play i can win 2 matches of ARAM and earn more tokens, the numbers aren't lying due to the number of minutes required to complete the new quest
You could also LOSE those 2 ARAM games and get fewer points.
Assuming the same amount of time sure, but not everyone plays by hours, and for people with more restricted gameplay time this is a substantial decrease
It's identical.
rip aram and tft enjoyers, a huge nerf to token gains :)
thanks riot
Here's a spreadsheet indicating that it's an identical tuning to today's events.
Yeah thats still a nerf to token gains in the long run, you need to win a 33 minute SR to earn 10 tokens now instead of being able to win a 20 minute SR and get the same results, this is more time spent for the same rewards and is pretty disappointing really
Its pure greed
Here's a spreadsheet indicating that it's an identical tuning to today's events.
*cries in aram*
Here's a spreadsheet indicating that it's an identical tuning to today's events. Even for ARAM.
It's astonishing how they can keep nerfing the passes and people keep buying em in masses. Just wow.
Here's a spreadsheet indicating that it's an identical tuning to today's events.
Another skipped pass then, thanks riot for saving me money.
Here's a spreadsheet indicating that it's an identical tuning to today's events.
they themselves wrote that the average game lasts 30 minutes. And they themselves take a longer game as a basis - of course, this is a nerf
Here's a spreadsheet indicating that it's an identical tuning to today's events.
You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd imagine the out of game time is higher for ARAM on overage for those 160 games vs SR 100 games.
(5 games a day for ARAM vs 3 games a day for SR, in theory ARAM and SR should be 01:30 (hh:mm) a day, but does the process of getting into (and out of) more games make it longer practically.)I'm really curious if you have data on out of game time relating to events.
You're right, but that time to get into a game is consistent, no matter which version of the token mission you use.
Read moreWhere are you getting "only earning half the tokens for the same number of games played" from? Games are 29 minutes on average and according to your no source math you need 34 minutes for 10 tokens
No source? its literally in their own FAQ, you get 6 points per minute for a win and 4 points per minute on a loss on SR and ARAM
https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/quick-gameplay-thoughts-12-3-event-mission-points/
ARAM and Event Game Modes grant 4 points per minute played, or 6 points per minute played if you win. This includes game modes like URF, One for All, and Ultimate Spellbook. In other words, these will grant points at the same rate as PvP SR games.
So yeah its 33.3333333 minutes for a match rounded up to 34, so if you want to be pedantic about that knock...
I'd just like to drop in here and use your example above to show that ARAM is essentially the same amount of progress in the next event as it is in today's event.
In your SR example above, you use 100 games of SR at 29 mins average = 2900 minutes of gameplay in total.
Let's say your ARAM games are 18 minutes on average. I suspect they're slightly longer in reality, but 18 mins works for me. Let's convert that time spent playing to get number of ARAM games in a month:
2900 / 18 = 161.11 games (we'll use 160 to make the next bit nice and clean).
With a 50% win rate... 80 wins x 6 tokens = 480 tokens
80 losses x 3 tokens = 240 tokens
Total tokens = 720 tokens
Identical to what you'll earn in the next pass from 2900 minutes of gameplay.
Yeah I did, but so is the case in the current system too. You get tokens from your milestone missions and free missions as well, in addition to the weekly missions.
However, the infinite token bank mission is in parallel to these sources of tokens, which doesn't seem to be the case given the information that we have seen so far.
Again, we obviously don't have all the information at this point about how the whole system is balanced but based on how you guys have nerfed the overall loot and event system throughout the years, I don't really have high hopes.
It seems more like the whole event system is repackaged with a better UI and more sneaky nerfs. I could be wrong but I would love to have some comment from you in terms of overall value increase/decrease. But again, like before, you are not going to comment on this and all of the effort I put in my comments/posts will be in vain since you'll likely just ignore
The infinite token mission will be retired. Level 51+ repeats forever and awards only tokens. The token payout each level from 1-50 includes the amount of tokens you'd have gotten from the infinite token mission today already, in addition to larger token amounts on some of the levels to match today's free token mission payouts.
No nerfs have ever been intended, and we've tried to make it right with the 150 tokens and an orb, releasing perhaps later than today.
I like how exclusivity and prestige are getting a bit more attention. Are there any plans to truly make some content unobtainable ever? I feel this notion of truly exclusive content has gone from gaming. Maybe due to a shift in societal perspectives, idk.
But I would love to see stuff rewarding veterans, people that have invested in content, or god forbid exclusive skins or content or achieving landmark gameplay milestones. Reaching a certain level, different skins for higher tier ranks, Clash specific skins, reaching some specific mastery points on a champion; stuff like that.
Well we have the end of season skin (and chromas) for reaching different ranked tiers, but that's all I know of as far as gameplay is concerned.
Tbh i dont mind if its done right
It's literally the same shit we have right now but it looks like a normal pass. You still need to do the quests to get the rewards, and still need to farm tokens to buy the Prestige Skin, borders, chromas and orbs, they're not even added into the level progression as rewards.
One would think the Prestige skin would be the level 30/40/50 reward, but nope.
Some people don't want the Prestige skin, so those players get to spend their Tokens on whatever they prefer!
by giving you one orb and 150 extra tokens; hardly fair to call it fixing something.
And if I understand correctly, the new pass will have the infinite token mission at the very end (level 50+). Which means that you won't be getting these tokens in the beginning of the pass parallel to the milestone missions and free missions like you do today.
So yeah, new pass is likely going to be even worse and more predatory. Big surprise
Token drops are on every level of the pass, if you take a look at the video.
Extra detail missing from the announcement is that the Pass "Milestone Missions" requirements have also been lowered by about 30%.
Edit: it wasn't missing. I just can't read, it seems.
I like how he never responded to your rebuttal.
Was asleep.
'I certainly meant no respect' is the best Freudian typo ever here
Yeah, oof. 😐
Great post and analysis! I honestly want to say we DO want the event tokens to be the same progression rate as before.
I know that players of reddit don't believe me when I say this, but the event changes are NOT designed to stealth Nerf token gains. If it turns out earning rates are worse off for legitimate players, we will absolutely adjust!
Follow-up question: if you run your simulation again with 600 points for the token bank and 30 tokens per payout, what results do you get?
I'm really disappointed in this reply.
I've been playing League since early beta. I'm 35 with a young kid and an intense career. I really enjoy CoOp as League is one of my favorite games but CoOp is the only format that is low stakes enough for me to reliably be able to play it anymore (both psychologically and practically). This change essentially means the passes are no longer an interesting purchase for me.
I understand that CoOp is not a priority for the team, but there are a lot of people that enjoy it. I'm sure your own metrics attest to that. Not everyone in there is simply there to grind. Being relegated to second-class citizen status after spending years in League (not to mention thousands of dollars) and then having a Rioter make this post is pretty lame, I must admit.
I certainly meant no respect to coop-vs-ai players. I can absolutely see how that comes across, but I was asking the OP if they enjoyed playing those 30 games, or were they doing just for faster event progress?
Either way, it certainly does read as a really lame post. Please accept my full apology.
Care to elaborate?
It's an unfortunate downside of the way repeating missions (and mission chains today) work, which we hope to address at some point in the future, but to say this is a hidden nerf is a little disingenuous.
In today's system, you get 5 tokens for an SR loss, whether 20 mins or 45 mins, but we tune our token values around a 30 minute SR average. So, a 45 min game is essentially 15 mins of token progress "not carried over".
Other benefits of the new token bank mission: hyperroll and double up are included. All game modes (URF/Ultbook etc) and ARAM now progress at the same rate as SR.
I shall repeat, I really want points to carry over from 1 mission to the next. It's just not something we can do right now.
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