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Originally posted by robot_wth_human_hair

I really dont think so. There are items where it will make sense more than others. Assemblers, sure. Inserters? No way. Power poles?.....maybe. this is a self limiting system. Nobody says you need an entirely legendary base from belts to assemblers.

Originally posted by neon_hexagon

Regarding quality

I used the "it's optional" argument, but I didn't mean it as an excuse for "It's shitty but it's ok, because you don't have to use it".

Lol, because that's exactly how I'm using it. The justifications given still don't entice me to use quality. I still don't like it and don't understand why it needs to exist. There already is quality: assembler 1, assembler 2, etc. The randomness is annoying and not fun.

Originally posted by Mytho0110

Great FFF, few thoughts on the new trigger method. New players will benefit greatly from this, and on that premise alone it should be included. Without new players the longevity of this game diminishes. However,, veteran players will be bothered by it as they now have an artificial road block that they must push through. If I use myself for example, I build with a backwards design. I start with what I want the end to look like and I work my way back to the start. So when I build oil, I first design my oil refinery and then go plug in oil to it. Same with electronics, Ill often have gears and electronics already set up and awaiting input for my starter base. Now I would have to wait to craft 50 iron before being able to see green circuits.

My suggestion to allow for new player experience, and accommodate veteran players, would be to tie the trigger unlocks to the UI function of highlight new recipes. This would allow a new player to have this on by default, but a veteran pl...

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Originally posted by Denuro

I'd love to see the productivity recipes requiring the item you're researching as a cost.

Wanna increase the productivity of the rocket control unit? Yeah you're gonna need some ammount of rocket control in that research.

I just have no idea how that would be implemented in the lab. Maybe a new building used just to pay the costs of productivity researches?

Originally posted by SmartAlec105

I will say that I’ve come around on Quality for the most part but I do feel like it has a high chance of misleading new players into thinking they’re supposed to start using the highest quality options as soon as they are available. You can see this happen when they replace every inserter with fast inserters even though those are overkill most of the time.

I like these research unlock methods. I’ve seen Seablock do similar which was a great way to help guide the player at the start.

Originally posted by Mnemonicly

Are the trigger technologies things that need to be queued in order to proc the research or if I craft 10 copper plates will I automatically unlock electronics?

Originally posted by OleschY

That comment about Catan is very confusing to me. We are talking about the law of big numbers but assume that only one game of catan is played, or what?

Originally posted by MrCatUa

Doesnt productivity research and it being capped at +300% mean that you can get net neutral (put 1 in, get 1 out) recycling to legendary loops? That makes the whole thing much simpler in end game.

Originally posted by Thenumberpi314

You can recycle spidertrons in a recycler that has quality modules.

Originally posted by pancakeQueue

I work at a semi conductor company. That company produces so many silicon wafers. The silicon wafers are checked for quality and those of lesser quality are reprocessed. I view this feature in factorio the same.

Originally posted by P0L1Z1STENS0HN

From my own experience, you can even build a 16k spm megabase without a single reactor. However, I definitely needed uranium to get the necessary train acceleration/speed. The trains are consuming about 10 nuclear fuel per minute.

Originally posted by SmartAlec105

“I hate this mechanic” is perfectly fine as feedback. Not the most useful form but it’s still worth knowing that a lot of people dislike an idea.

Originally posted by P0L1Z1STENS0HN

To put a price to that - according to the screenshot the 2nd level needs 2250 science packs. I think it's safe to assume the same exponential progression as with e.g. artillery range.

Then, if I put it into my spreadsheet correctly, the total needed to get to level 30, is 1,207,959,550,875.

Assuming that all the quality improvements allow us to reach 50k spm, that's just over 1100 years of playtime; and we would have to get to 1M spm to be able to live to see level 30. And then it takes just as long as all previous levels together, to research level 31...

Originally posted by Kano96

Most of these seem like low output volume recipes, is that on purpose? It makes sense to me, you are unlikely to fill a full belt of steel, so the extra productivity won't cause any issues in most cases. (and it's not a big deal to design these factories with some extra output belt capacity in mind)

Plastic seems like the odd one out in that aspect tho. I like the inclusion of an oil product, but I feel like a combined oil processing/liquefaction or just rocket fuel would make more sense.

Originally posted by lee1026

If the cost is exponential like the current ones, even very large factories won’t be touching level 30. Two to the power of 30 is a lot.

Originally posted by sonaxaton

Do technologies that require a trigger work even if you trigger it while the technology is locked behind other technologies? Like does it "remember" that you triggered it in the past, so you would instantly research it once it becomes available?

Originally posted by FlurgBungler

Are the changes to research and the trigger technologies going to be exclusive to Space Age, or will they change the base game too?

Originally posted by megalogwiff

How can the endgame research be infinite, if productivity is capped at 300%?

Also, designing perfect ratios for late game just became practically impossible.

Originally posted by Choice_Percentage_26

I would like to have the option to show a message in chat when a research is completed, like in the "Improved Resarch Queue" mod by sonaxaton. With the queue like it is now it is easy to miss what research was completed.

Originally posted by StarryGlobe089

Triggered research sounds great! Perhaps they should be color coded differently in the research tree so that you can identify what needs manual action.

Will research always be unlocked by either science packs or trigger, or can a research require both?