The first time, I proc PTA with E and two autos, and the second time you can see that the dummy gets a PTA stack even though I click away to cancel the auto attack. Also some daggers at the end not giving PTA stacks for good measure.
(Damn, I guess you really can summon a rioter just by saying please)
This consistency thread is dear to my heart. Just seeing the confusion hurts my soul.
Damn, you're right. That's weird as hell. I'm messing around with that rn and can't find any consistent rules either.
For what it's worth, I think some of the jankiness might come from PTA itself. For example, Kat's E applies PTA but her ult and daggers don't. rito pls
I believe kata's E actually triggers an auto attack when she arrives so that is the PTA stack.
May I ask why the imperial mandate nerf? Feels kinda bad as a support.
Most supports shouldn't feel this change much. Only the super heavy cc layering ones should (and also rylais users in mid lol)
Hey! One thing that could help AP Shyv without adding more damage to her E would be a slight decrease on E cooldown. Losing the 20% CDR from Nashors and 10% early CDR from Runic really hurt her AP builds. The items themselves aren't that bad on her, it's just that she can't get near similar amounts of CDR now.
Buffing E CD would also help out toplane Shyvana a bit. By the way, what are your thoughts about Shyv top at riot? Do you view it as an unhealthy thing that should be discouraged or are buffs that would also significantly help top Shyv very much possible?
While still a buff, E CD reduction wouldn't benefit AD Shyv jungle nearly as much outside jungle clear. Most of the time one E mark is enough in a duel and if the fight lasts long enough for the second E to come up, it's most likely decided already. It's quite rare that I can actually keep smacking people constantly in a way that a slightly higher uptime on the E mark would actually have a significant impact...
I think it's kinda cool top Shyv is a thing (its actually quite good too)
What are your thoughts on Ezreal? He's pretty much had the lowest winrate among ADCs for the entire patch. Dude got nerfs after nerfs between the Muramana changes and the Q bugfix/nerf and has gotten nothing in return. Yes, I understand that Ezreal usually has a below 50% winrate because he's a very popular character, but his play rate's also decreasing alongside his winrate (still the 3rd highest play rate, probably because a lot of those people are just switching to Jhin or Kai'sa), and said winrate usually hovers around the mid 47%-48%, not 46%.
Part of me wants to think his winrate is because people are still rushing Manamune over Divine Sunderer (the latter being a much stronger 1st item in my opinion), but I don't have the data on that. I just wanted to hear you guys' opinions on his current state.
A lot of people are indeed turbogriefing ezreal builds but he's definitely struggling some so he may see some love despite the build failures.
I feel like I'd like to make the argument that players came to prefer AP Shyvana because of circumstance rather than inherently preferring it to the other options. Shyvana's mini-rework where a lot of power was shifted into her ability to use her E as a nuke shined really really hard. Historically, before that happened, she was consistently a brawling on-hit or tank-oriented character which makes a lot of sense with her kit: a dragon jumps at you and just starts running you down.
Well, it's been more than a while since those changes and AP was just stronger as opposed to her original playstyle for a while so it's really no wonder that AP is the more common build path. Personally, I've been playing Shyvana top off and on since season 4 and still don't understand what the allure with AP is, or even it's power fantasy. I feel like that fantasy with the fire breath is really disconnected from what old Shyvana players liked about her, like myself.
From what I've seen over the last year AD Shyv has fairly consistently outperformed AP but AP has been much more popular. I suspect it's different strokes for different folks
Hey Phlox, really appreciating your feedback on Shyvana.
I prefer AD Shyv, in part because I've off/on mained her since S3, but mostly because I like to be a champ when my ult isn't up.
As of now Shyv is the only champ in the game I can think of that who's ult doesn't cd when dead. If you changed this somehow it would buff AP Shyv a smidge more, while making games from behind as Shyv less tilting. The whole no rage regen while dead makes Shyv more feast or famine which is personally a style of champ I usually avoid.
Also what would you think of buffing the overgrowth rune for junglers? As of now it ramps much slower for average junglers, and Shyv is the only farm style jungler that appreciates tank/bruiser stats (i.e. Yi/Karthus won't suddenly be taking it). I know Sejuani takes it, but it doesn't give a lot of hp, its mostly just to activate warmogs by her second item. (Also Sej could use the tiny buff)
We've actually talked a bit about the no-regenning while dead. Can't say much about it here but its definitely odd.
Could see overgrowth buffs if its underpowered in JG, good callout!
How is riven doing for the balance team atm?
Not great, but not terrible. Would be curious to know what Riven players really want for a buff if they were to get one. (I'm not personally super familiar with the current state of the champion)
You can usually ping him in the mains subreddits with something reasonable (ie not just “wtf august Kayla sucks fix now”) and there’s a decent chance he’ll respond if he’s able.
/u/RiotAugust wtf august Kayla sucks fix now
Lets see...
I'll have it fixed by Monday
You can get enough sample size by using all ranks and multiple patches for 10k games. Which is more then enough to get a good estimate on the strength of it, it's clear it out performs any other mythic. Even when checking commonly built secondary items/runes that could potentially inflate/decrease a mythics winrate.
I was mostly just curious how Riot approaches making changes to champions when they are building poorly and can adapt. For example I know Gangplank also suffers from this where Ravenous Hydra is insanely good on him but not built much.
I'm actually much more concerned about Sunderer. (Similar winrates but actual playrate) I don't think it's bad if Senna is decent with that item however
hey man, i don't really care for the syhvana part but just wanted to let you know its really amazing how you and other devs share information into how you address issues (balance wise).
I hope even after you receive backlash for patches (and lets be honest, some are questionable) you know that your work is appreciated and im really glad you guys do this. Other games could learn.
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Could you give us some data on this? I know a lot of people are adamant that AP Shyvana is better than AD so it would be nice to have data to back the claim up. If you can't provide it, that's totally fine and thanks for your comments!
Sure! Shyvana with Harvester is ~6% worse than Whipchain or Botrk first. Nashors is ~4% worse than those two.
Trinity is almost as good as the other fighter items and Sunfire first is right in the middle (Frostfire, Kraken Slayer, and Sunderer kinda sleeper tho)
Yes, but she has above 50% winrate building frostfire, and that item is also getting buffed. Are you concerned people will notice that build path's strength along with the buffs and she might be too strong.
Her winrate is garbage atm because people are building eclipse every game for some reason.
Frostfire Senna is such a small % of her games right now that it's actually hard to get proper power reads on it (too low sample size). We may well have to do followup work on her for Frostfire or Divine Sunderer or whatever else though
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