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I keep seeing mention of Elder Frames but they aren't required to upgrade the fort for this update. What exactly is their purpose?
I keep seeing mention of Elder Frames but they aren't required to upgrade the fort for this update. What exactly is their purpose?
They would be used to make T3 versions of the Chapel, Guardhouse and Command Center.
Read moreHey Breezy, thanks for chiming in. I've heard a lot of these same things from mods like Jack and others in the past regarding the M&S rework, so it's no surprise that you are reiterating the same things here. I totally get that redoing the core mechanics of the skill like that has a much bigger knock on effect for all sorts of other content. Hopefully your comment helps others to understand as well.
I guess the heart of my question (and you've partially answered it with some of this) is whether we could ever get a full "rework" like M&S but broken into bigger chunks over time. For instance, now we have this woodcutting "refresh", but is the "plan" (not asking you to confirm content) that eventually the team would be willing to, say, rebalance the tiers for fletching or fire making down the line to match the new woodcutting stuff. I know a lot of frustration with skills still being the same as they were 20 years ago is the incongruence of content. I.E. why are there (now) 9+...
Yeah the very reason we're doing it this way is to give ourselves the platform to do more in the future, without necessarily planning it/for it. Now that say the core of WC has been done, in another update we could do a mechanical rework to how it's trained more easily, or target some specific content tied to it, or repeat the same approach for another skill. It's very much like working away at layers of the system with each update. I can't say anything on plans, however.
Side point but you may or may not remember before M&S started, there was a poll that asked players if they'd like a full rework, or only a core rework of tiers and such (and maybe some other options). The full rework won the poll. I wasn't at Jagex then, but i can imagine that the conversations they were having about how to approach the rework was exactly what we're discussing now. What can we best offer players with X amount of time? I believe "only a core rework" was part of the poll because there were c...
Read moreUPDATE : With Woodcutters Grove coming out on Monday the 19th there will come an update to the costs of buildings in the fort.
These changes are being made so we can substantially increase the XP for making the higher Tier buildings in order to make this a viable training method for Construction as intended. To compensate, the material cost has been increased.
We have updated the Woodcutters Grove Blog with a table of these new frame costs and the experience gained.
Actually astounded at what all has been tweaked here to be honest. I'm curious to hear the teams' thoughts on this scale of rework vs. the M&S one and if this kind of rebalance could be considered for other things in the future since full mechanical reworks are seemingly off the table.
Two major questions I have regarding this update specifically though is: Are logs being removed or reduced from drop tables like ore and herbs? And do we anticipate more uses for logs in the future? Gathering more is great, but without more sinks for logs, we'll just have a glut of cheap lumber.
Looks like mostly good stuff and I'm excited to try it out as woodcutting was a favorite skill of mine back when it was useful. Good job
I wanted to give you my perspective on your first question having been a part of M&S rework, and being involved early on with the high level design and some granular details of this project. I don't like using the word 'rework' sparingly but we'll use it for now :P
The bulk of what made M&S such a huge project was not the core skilling flow but rather every other thing that plugged in to both skills which had to be reworked. Each and every single one of these (invention tools/perks, potions, drop tables for monsters/rewards across the game, miscellaneous rewards such as Varrock armour, scrimshaws, quests, summoning familiars, worn gear and so on) required at the very least design work, dev work, and QA. Other things may have also required artists and audio for example. All of this bloated the time needed for the project.
From our learnings, the approach we've had since then is to do smaller, more contained "reworks" or rebalances that we can try and fit into proje...
Read moreI'll ping Mod Timbo, as he can potentially push a manual update based on the new trade prices/volumes.
No need to thank me, I'm just happy to help!
Question: Its pointed out that birds nests can drop Imcando fragments at Tier 3 Grove.
If i start stocking up on birds nests now and open them afterwards.. will that still work? Or will the game recognize that they came from before the update?.. like.. the nests are revamped so old ones won't have the same drop table.
It won't no.
Hatchet rebalance
Dragon: T55 → T60
Crystal: T57.5 → T70
Hatchet requirements are re-tiered
1 to 90 instead of requiring odd values like 51
Okay, so Crystal Hatchet will be level and tier 70 now, to be consistent
A brand new best-in-slot T80 Augmentable Hatchet! Once you have unlocked Tier 3 of the Grove you will be able to find fragments of the hatchet in birds nests. Once you have gathered all the pieces Thurgo can help you out.
Okay, so the new Imcando Hatchet will be level and tier 80, right?
So why does the newspost say that hatchet requirements are being retiered from 1 - 90 if we aren't getting a t90 hatchet?
Or did I misread?
It's a good note. I get the spirit of what was written here (ie. the hatchets will now be properly paced through the levels rather than at odd values) but we don't have a Tier 90 being introduced with this update. Imcando is Tier 80.
We'll get this changed now.
Does this mean any pre-existing nests cannot provide fragments?
Correct. Only the new type that will drop once you get your Cabin to Tier 3.
I don’t feel so bad for neglecting wc as one of my final 99s now
It's one of my last three as well! 99'ing in the Grove for sure.
I know they said the wood spirits were not replacing items on droptables, but did they mention where they are coming from? The birds nests or somewhere else?
Birds Nests.
What's the deal with the fort rebalanced? Tier 3 command center now requiring 960 elder logs seems absolutely mental
It's primarily down to the team wanting to make Fort Forinthry's alternative construction method a viable way of training the skill. The prior XP rates were much lower, which are being changed along with the resources required.
The XP hits that come with it are massive, but the cost is having to gather or buy expensive resources - then process them into frames - for those builds.
Did they show the required items to upgrade the Grove on-stream by any chance?
They did! Shown here at the timestamp I've linked: https://www.youtube.com/live/3F_nnyEe2Mo?feature=share&t=2111
Kingdom has nothing to do with it
Edit: birdsnests that are already in game are different from the ones that drop in the grove
The new Birds Nests - which contain the Imcando fragments - are also not available from Miscellania at present.
Welcome back!
The past five months of the year have mostly been focused around the Fort Forinthry Season - which is a new upgradeable area that gives you a ton of benefits and is the basis for all the story this year.
Here's the first update, New Foundations, which was about the base buildings for the Fort, new Construction Training methods and the start of the storyline: https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/february-content-drop-new-foundations
Then we had a classic style RuneScape quest with Murder On The Border, which also includes a new Kitchen you can build for Cooking benefits: ...
Read moreThe Fort is coming along well, if we do say so ourselves, with the Raptor's help the local undead are kept in check and it is time to think bigger and for that, we are gonna need a lot more wood. Thankfully a dashing lumberjack has shown up on your doorstep at an opportune time.
This update will see you setting up a little Grove of your own to help supply the Fort with the raw materials it will need to sustain itself and pick up a few Woodcutting tips and tricks along the way.
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