• Danza ult is much more detectable? It has a very long warm up - moves rather slowly - and is easily avoided with a movement ability. It certainly can get lost in chaotic fights, but not much more so than other god abilities. Dealing with the inundation of information during team fights is a unique challenge for Mobas and a different discussion entirely.

• It doesnt taunt towers - and it has a considerable warm up time before it CCs anyone. Its also counterable. This is a very shallow comparison and not the same problem we saw with old Loki at all.

• This "stealth" is easily broken by any damage and even gives you many indicators as to where it might be worth attacking to reveal the god. Comparing this to Loki stealth and claiming "we havent learned our lesson" is just kinda of straight up rude. We clearly implemented a series of new counterplay options to this "stealth" as well as created a unique ability with strong themes fitting the god. Im ...

Ive seen a lot of comments on new gods in general, so this response is going to go outside the scope of just OPs comments - but it seems like a fine time to share some more accurate and up to date information

First - OPs topic here

On the concept of "power creep"

New gods are designed to bring new features, new themes, and new experiences to the game. We are not intentionally overpowering new gods, we are not intentionally adding elements specifically for power.

Abilities have multiple components to add to the gods theming, or to put new gameplay twists on abilities.

On balance vs design

Balance does not directly relate to the "number of things" an ability does - its easy to have an ability that does a lot of different things and still be weak or feel weak, so comparing these two concepts directly is a bit of a misdirect in itself. Often new gods winrates go down substantially through some reasonable numbers nerfs, no components ...

Not sure what parts and pieces of dev commentary youre cherry picking to put together this reddit tier conclusion, but this is not accurate.

I'll try to work up a quick response in a separate comment in this thread to give more information about this process.

EDIT: Longer - New God Launch Design Considerations can be found here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Smite/comments/kluxnq/why_does_every_new_god_have_to_have_power_creep/ghbwyv0/

great answer, frost! i think the most important thing would be to try to quantify this - we can discuss all day but what really "defines" skill floor to me is how you measure it

so either

• how low MMR / low lvl can a player be and still achieve 50% winrate on a god?
• the god with the lowest MMR / Lvl players hitting 50% would have the lowest skill floor

Or

• for each god - across all players - how do they perform on their first time playing the god
• so we assume everyone is equally bad at the god when theyve never tried - and the god with the highest winrate across all players in this category would have the lowest skill floor.

You could certainly apply other definitions to it, you dont NEED data - maybe this concept is better used as a form of measuring player experience/feeling instead of as a hard stat?

https://twitter.com/Titan_Kabir/status/1339913596550205441

yes, behind his Sake Bottle is his Coin Purse where he keeps his monies. thats it... nothing else to see here...

Personally im pretty happy with the lighting, this map was just insanely bright which made a lot of abilities and targeters hard to see, and caused eye strain.

It seems like its been a surprisingly controversial launch tho, so we will keep an eye on it. No changes planned atm tho.

However, this is the first ive heard of this jungle fog issue, and we will 100% go take a look and fix/remove that - thanks!

Obviously not my intent to upset anyone, just saw a good opportunity for a mean girls joke...

Whether or not I personally agree with his feedback, his post sparked some Olympian discussion and we are certainly still open to adjusting Loki, likely by continuing to move him more toward a jungler without breaking our goals of the rework.

Seems like the rework has been very successful by most metrics, and we do not plan on reverting him (which was my point of the joke) but that also doesnt mean hes "perfect" yet either.

Its going to take time though, we arent going to rush Loki adjustments until we see more data especially once the new S8 map launches.

Stop trying to make split push and instant burst Loki happen. Its not going to happen.

Thanks, Pon! Nicely said!

I'm afk for a bit with the little guy, and Pon probably said it better than i ever could anyway.

Happy to see the community starting such deep discussions! And we have already been thinking/working on this topic already - i love when design + community align.

We will discuss more with olympians and pros and ill be back in this thread later if needed.

There are a lot of different ways to adjust healers, and we will be clear with our goals and our processes when we present anything on this to you all in the form of patch notes.

likely wont go in until 8.1 - but keep an eye out for any hotfix notes in case we are able to get it in sooner.

This is a known bug, this change did not go live. Sorry about that :(

im my experience Ra tends to make it through bans - this is may be more of a tryhard comp than a troll comp - but I DARE you to find something more satisfying than multiple Ra snipes on the same unsuspecting enemy!

5 Ra's (or 4 Ra and 1 CC heavy tank)

always try to coordinate your snipes at the same time and same target to just ERASE people

plus healers = win

side jungles

can you be more specific or show any video/images of this zeus bug?

Ya any knockup or knockback on a target that fenrir is channeling on should create this effect

It also really fun to use brutalize on dashing gods and go for a ride!

Fenrir is a good dog.

edit: wait do other knockbacks just cancel brutalize and only this one launches him?! investigating....

"dont include any new character animation" is incorrect - all of those skins required large amounts of animation work across the entire animation set.

Adding these extra wings to Yemoja full-time would also require her entire animation set to be adjusted to accommodate them and make sure they move naturally.

The team did a lot of updating to this skin in PTS to get it in the best possible state we could based on player feedback - but doing that much animation this late after the release would cause massive problems in our scheduled plans, so id say its extremely unlikely.

Baba Yaga says hi

So at first I was a little offended by this post, because I disagree that SMITE lacks depth and I disagree with the idea that SMITE has failed to introduce any new depth.

But it did get me talking with the design team and led us to some very interesting conclusions. I'd lead off by saying that this concept, like many in game design, is very subjective and has lots of exceptions to rules. Just because OP might think the game lacks depth, doesnt mean they are wrong, but myself or a majority of players might still disagree with them.

The concept of depth vs breadth is a core tenet of game design, and is usually defined as such:

• Breadth: the sheer number of mechanics, items, characters, levels, systems, etc - its what you have in your game

• Depth: the variety of experiences and moments that can some from your breadth of features - its how your game plays

Id also like us to remove the term "complexity" from our vocab - t...