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Originally posted by UngodlyPain

Any reason you chose to "buff" ie like this instead of say giving it more AD or anything. Or AS or MS to match gale?

The biggest complaint I saw about IE was it was mediocre early. So buffing it's late game and nerfing it's early game doesn't seem like it'll help much unless you just want Galeforce to be the early game crit mythic and IE the late game one... but I could just see it devolving to people buying gale and at 3 items selling it for IE. Or something.

Originally posted by Mike_BEASTon

nice maths. At first glance i assumed it was surely a buff, but i ran them myself and come to the same conclusion. https://i.imgur.com/AWDZAeG.png

If you play soloQ and you don't plan to get to 4 items, don't take the new IE.

And get what? Remember galeforce is getting pretty hard nerfed. I agree now that this isnt really a marksman IE buff, but for champs that only decide between IE and galeforce (e.g. Jhin, Jinx, Aphelios), I think IE will now win out generally.

Also, Yone/Yasuo crit damage is hard coded I think, so I wonder if IE crit modifier will even affect them if they dont also go and change their numbers.

Originally posted by Riley_

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Originally posted by HS_Cogito_Ergo_Sum

Aphelios is the #1 bot laner in pro play by a long shot and has been a top performer since March. As such, we want to act in order to create more variety in the bottom lane. We know it sucks for players at home to catch strays like this, but he’s still in a much stronger spot than he was at the start of the year. This time around, we’re targeting some of his biggest ability outliers that provide frustrating levels of power: His turret deals too much DPS for a basic ability, Infernum Q provides him best-in-class sustain by a large margin, and Gravitum’s gank setup is very high for a basic ability.

Do you mean Severum Q u/Riot_Riru or are you talking about Infernum Q with Severum offhand (both make sense tbh)?

Originally posted by williamis3

RIP Stattik Shiv

Originally posted by upaltamentept

What are you even talking about? Vi literally became pro play meta just to deal with zeri because of her lockdown point and click CC in her ult

Originally posted by arg_max

When you get the item you will still have the same type of waveclear as before. It just falls off massively after that. But for a few levels, you will still be able to push waves and roam. Probably troll on LB who really can't use the stat but on Rageblade champs it might still be decent to give you some time to roam/scale. Also, I think they didn't even remove the dash interaction since this would probably require too much actual coding instead of number tweaks.

Originally posted by Solash1

Rell jungle back in business 😎

Originally posted by Bamfimous

Yup, ap ratio is going from 50 to 30 percent, and it's losing the bonus damage to minions

Originally posted by Elrann

It's cooldown is functionally the same. No mage champ will be able to proc LB twice in the rotation, it's not how mage' trade patterns work, they're not ADCs or bruisers. And by the time your abilities come back up from CD you have Shiv again. That's the whole reason why Ekko is better with Nashor than with Lich Bane even if he's an assassin.

Originally posted by Jonspen

The fact that it's taken over a month to show up (in solo queue; it was disabled in pro for 13.10) means the "if you just gave it two seconds of thought..." refrain isn't the zinger you think it is since apparently none of y'all figured it out for a while.

So what, you knew it was op and did it anyway so you could see how long it'd take the dumb dumbs to figure it out so you can be smug about it and then grace us all with a fix by nerfing it?

Originally posted by WoonStruck

People figured that out immediately. It was all over the subreddit for the first week.

It just took them a month to popularize the optimal users, where the use-case is actually worth enough to be legitimately problematic.

Originally posted by DAEORANGEMANBADDD

There we go again

you are only looking at the 1v1 numbers and absolutely nothing else, you do this every single time. "This item does more damage with YXZ burst so its not good"

You are completely ignoring the fact that with shiv LB becomes a splitpushing beast, she can literally just run at wave do 1 AA and the entire wave is gone. She was already someone who is incredibly difficult to catch but always needed to W WR to clear it, now she can just walk up AA 2-3 times and the wave is gone letting her have her W up permanently

Originally posted by MORE-MONSTER-JGLERS

I feel like they only go heart and grasp when laning with senna. Please dont force him into that mythic it is too expensive and awful. It has no utility on a role which values it. Please throw us tahm supp mains a bone Mr. Phreak. Ive been supping him since release :(

Originally posted by Kaboomeow69

Using jungle xp/gold diff as motive while his pickrate is substantially higher top feels weird

Originally posted by WahtAmDoingHere

May I ask, what kind of direction is planned for the shiv tweaks you mentioned?

Originally posted by DocTentacles

Wild. I always feel like toplane CS is more reliable, even if you're BausFFing for it, but it's not like I can pull a statsite out to prove you wrong, so I gotta accept that paradigm shift. I always assumed jungle was 4th place gold. (Is it mostly from kills, or CS, or can you track that?)

I know tanks are usually low-gold, but it feels like solo tops just perma-CS. Wild. Good to learn, though.

I swear to god, getting these little riot factoids is the only reason I'm still on this reddit, thanks man.