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Originally posted by ketzo

I've always liked the Quick Gameplay Thoughts series, because I like getting in-depth thoughts on why game balance/design choices were made. I kind of thought this article was lacking.

There’s been some question of making power farming more worthwhile in order to reduce how often junglers gank—we’re potentially taking a small stab there

I think this is cool, but I wanna know the thoughts behind how this is happening.

How does the balance team go from "gank junglers are too powerful" to "we should nerf treat gold and increase xp per camp?"

• How did the team decide gank junglers are too powerful?
• In what ways are they too powerful?
• Why did they choose the "treat gold" and "camp xp" levers, and not something else?
• What do they plan to try next if this doesn't work?

/u/RiotAxes I'm always grateful when y'all take the time to wr...

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Originally posted by -inVader

So that is why Neeko could turn into the fountain turret

Originally posted by Cashmiir

You're up early wtf you doin

Originally posted by LakerPaper

Finally Muay Thai Lee Sin, I've been waiting for this one to go on sale for a while.

Originally posted by IamLevels

Any chance you guys can consider tweaking how stacks of the jungle item are generated? With both junglers taking longer to upgrade their smites cause you need 40 and the stacks being tied to actually killing the large monster of each champ, I find that the jungler whose team is behind struggles to get their smite to 1200 as their camps inevitably get poached by both enemies and their own teammates alike. Previously, the only criteria for upgrading your smite was simply casting it 5 times, so junglers who were behind were still able to get their smite on even footing as the enemy jungler more consistently. With this current stack system, the jungler who's behind ends up being stuck at 900 much longer than their opponent, meaning they're almost always unable to 50/50 a smite-fight unless the enemy makes a critical mistake.

I'm not sure how this will impact the average time junglers get to 1200 but if the actual smite cast itself generated 1-2 stacks, it would help lessen the ...

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Originally posted by phylaris

Ya I definitely agree the total EXP should be lower than S12.

I feel a middle-ground where Krugs are still worth significantly less than before, but the other camps are worth a tiny bit more than S12 (still lower as a sum total) might be worth considering. The amount of EXP lost relative to S12 while ganking/holding lanes from the -25% minion EXP penalty is super noticeable, so combined with the lower camp EXP junglers seem to be consistently falling really far down on EXP compared to sololaners.

Originally posted by phylaris

Out of curiosity, is the intent to equalize S12 and S13 EXP values on all the non-Krugs camps, or to overcompensate by a little bit to partially make up for the nerfed Krugs exp?

Originally posted by EgonThyPickle

Wouldn't it be better to just make the bonus xp scale instead or is there something I'm missing? That way you keep the xp for non-junglers the same while still buffing the xp for junglers back to their old values.

Originally posted by Scientrist

And what about the champion takedown. Is this supposed to give a you a treat or not. Because there is some discrepancies between the patch notes and the game.

Originally posted by Scientrist

You should also take a look at the other stuff we found regarding the treats and champion takedowns and the tooltip for the jungle item.

Originally posted by Scientrist

I will update the reddit post for now and explain what happened. But it is really unclear currently. I also feel like it needs a bit of compensation. It is kinda weird to just shift the XP like this and not give compensation. Because taking XP out of the jungle wasn't what was intended right?

Originally posted by Scientrist

Alright i understand the changes now, im assuming it has to do with the 15 XP shift that was in the patch notes right? If this is the case can you please make it more clear in the patch notes. Because I am sure with the current wording 99% of players will not understand this change.

Originally posted by Scientrist

But why does it not say that in the patch notes? There was no reference to these XP changes in the patch notes. Pretty sure nothing was added back onto the item. Maybe you guys missed smt. Im very curious what the intended change was

Originally posted by photographyraptr

Apparently xayah w is bugged with this are yall looking into it?

Originally posted by aerovistae

Ok but I thought nothing modifies true damage....why is this modifying true damage?

I just am not crazy about the inconsistency....the item is cool and all but if I can't reduce true damage why can they now amplify it? :/ that seems kinda not great for people on the receiving end

Originally posted by BoonIsTooSpig

Don't forget to save some pasta water when straining and pouring it onto the ravioli with the sauce to help bind the sauce to the pasta.