I read somewhere that you guys struggled to come up with new ideas for weapons in DRG that weren't just rehashes of what already exists. Is that a concern for Rogue Core and its available weaponry?
Struggled? No. We have stacks and stacks of viable concepts. It's a matter of manpower in the end - creating a new set of weapons is a massive amount of work we don't undertake lightly.
I have no present concerns when it comes to Rogue Core and available weaponry.
So wait, if you don't mind me asking, that makes me curious as to if you guys currently have an idea/ideas as for who the rivals are. I'd assume the plan of if you do go down the path is that you'd simply work out who would fit best for the gameplay you've developed out of those ideas, or simply workshop a new fit if none of the current ideas seem to fit well.
I could imagine it being either or, that you internally aren't really sure and aren't really concerned because, well, it's not the story currently being told, or you've got a good chunk of ideas as to who it could be, and you'll simply decide later on once the best fit reveals itself.
There are ideas and concepts, for sure. But as said, we've kept it open in case we want to explore new angles on that story later. If the ideas and concepts don't fit that at that point, then we can tweak it to fit, before release.
Thanks for doing all that. Makes me more patient for season 5. I dislike most plague-themed stuff and hearing we'd have another 7 or 8 months of this just made me want to drink a Leaf Lover's. Rock And Stone :)
You said "Adding 8 player content isn't as simple as just putting four more players on the team" ... how could it not be as simple? I figure it'd just be a bit tedious to copypaste four more slots into a mission session. Bug waves scaling up to X people aren't that hard, are they?
Distilled down to that, it pretty much is that simple, yes. But I think we'd have larger ambitions than that if we went for an 8-player mission. :)
You're being a little too generous. Some people just like to complain because they have nothing better to do with their lives, and some of them just want you to keep shoveling content into their mouths for free without stopping, slowing down or working on any other projects. It's not always from a place of genuine concern.
Not always, no. That's the internet too. But for the most part, I still feel I can distill useful information from most negative or concerned posts.
Wait you are one of the developers cool! also great game keep up the good work 👍 I’m new and already love this game!
Welcome aboard. Rock and Stone, Miner. :)
I don’t want it to go the way of so many popular games, wherein people become so vocal and downright rude the developers just stop talking to us. I love and appreciate that about GSG, we get kept in the loop and spoken to about everything, and honestly I’d love more of that
That's always a risk when communities grow. We're seeing more undirected negativity these days than we used to, but at least most of it comes with actually useful constructive criticism. It would have to get a lot worse before we stop trawling the Reddit and Steam forums and Discord for input, even if some of it stings.
Is there a possibility for the new weapons in Rogue Core to be added at any point in DRG or are those going to remain exclusive for RC? Nothing wrong if the latter is the case but just intrusive curiosity.
Everything is possible. Whether *viable*, that remains to be seen. Time will tell.
It's the internet. People will complain. And then people will complain about people complaining. And then people will complain about that. And so on.
I'm seeing a lot of valid complaints or concerns out there. And I also see people coming to GSG's "defense". I hope ya'll know we appreciate both sides here, and that those two sides are really not that far apart when you think about it. If you didn't care about the game, you wouldn't spend time complaining. All this talk back and forth comes from a place of passion for DRG, and that is pretty much the greatest compliment we as developers can get.
We might not agree on the best way to get there all the time. But at the end of the day, we all want DRG to be the best it can be - GSG included. So long as we can talk about things in a civilized manner, we'll keep listening.
Not to sound rude but i hope you know what you are doing with the lore .
I used to be invested into other game's lore who started vague on purpose and let themselves a wide angle of space to build upon later in response to Fan theories and the results were....
Well, rough to say the least, i think you may see wich games (yes, gameS) i'm reffering to.
So yeah, i get that Lore isn't supposed to be DRG main focus for developing the game or the main motive for the majority of people who play it but having a good story and explanation to what's happening is always more immersive if it's coherent and not ridiculously hard to figure out or understand wich i absolutely believe you can do.
I mean hey i'm all for knowing whose behind the rival tech , or what the error cubes do.
Don't downvote 'em, folks - they're allowed to come with constructive criticism. And it's a valid concern.
To answer: I like to think we mostly know what we're doing. ;)
We have explanations for most things behind the scenes, but one major reason for us keeping stuff simple lore-wise is to allow us to put the gameplay first. The lore is usually figured out after the gameplay is designed, rather than the other way around. This might seem backwards to a lot of people, but it's worked really well for us.
But take the Rivals, as a good example: Right now we have not revealed who they *really* are. That means, if and when we want to pursue that story again, we have all options open. And then the story can evolve at that point.
I've replied to a lot of comments in this thread now, so I encourage you all to seek those out too, but let me pipe in on the "narrative" bit here:
Don't go in expecting a full Mass Effect-size narrative, but Rogue Core is definitely "a new chapter" in the DRG story. There will obviously be new lore, but it will likely be given to you in much the same way as we do in DRG: Keeping it a little vague on purpose, so the players can get to speculate and come up with their own theories, as well as allow us the widest possible space to build upon later.
My only worry is how they are gonna make the coop elements work. DRG was designed with coop in mind and that's why all the 4 classes are balanced in a way they complement each other.
I know not having classes can still work (see L4D), I just have not seen any mention of how they would encourage teamwork so far.
Well, our motto remains "Co-op First", so trust that we're focusing on it. We'll show off more when we have something to show.
Yea but can we play it in the spacerig on a vr headset or naw
Likely naw. But hey, that's what mods are for... :D
Did they actually confirm it would be story heavy? With most rogue likes and drg's history I wouldn't be surprised if what we've gotten is most of the story
We have made no promises that it will be story heavy. It will likely be *as* story heavy as DRG, as in not a lot, but enough to keep you engaged. We've found that approach works super well in DRG, and we see little reason to change that.
If these geniuses made the absolute gem that is DRG while it was still a pretty small company, imagine their new project now that they have a much more solid ground, financial stability and resources?
I’ll temper my expectations accordingly but I’ll look forward to Rouge Core!
That's the way to do it.
It looks sick. I would have no problem if they didn’t but I hope they use some of the assets in the base game as well.
We most certainly will.
Wondering what type of weaponry will be in rouge core, will they be mostly the same ones from drg if will there by new ones? Possibly we could even see melee weapons due to not worrying about friendly fire. Either way I'm hyped!
At this point in time, the plan is for both new weapons and DRG classics to be in Rogue Core.
I'll restrain harsher judgment until we know how it plays, but so far, it gave me an impression that this is content for season 6 that got turned into a game.
Survivor is different enough to justify being a different game, so, let's see how different will Rogue Core be to DRG. If it's 90% the same but Roguelike, well, I'm definitely gonna be very angry.
I can tell you this: Rogue Core is definitely not Season 6 turned into a standalone game. Season 6 doesn't exist in any shape or form yet. We do not plan that far ahead, ever. Our only focus at this moment is Season 5 and Rogue Core. Season 6 will be designed after Season 5 is out.
Rather, Rogue Core was originally planned as a paid expansion for DRG, but as our ambitions for it grew, we decided that making it its own thing entirely would let us play around with it more, rather than being restricted by any design built into DRG.
That said, I think I can promise you that Rogue Core will look and feel a lot like DRG with a Roguelite twist - we are placing it in the same universe for a reason, and it's why we're calling it a spin-off. If that's unacceptable to you, well, that's your call.
I'm gonna piggy-back on this thread to post the most notable excerpts from GSG_Robert's Thursday impromptu Q&A he did in the official Discord. No commentary, interpretation or opinions from me, just quotes presented verbatim and very loosely grouped into logical sections (the original chat flow was a bit chaotic).
EDIT: I should've clarified that, but this is not a transcript of the Q&A from the Friday stream that Jacob linked in the OP! This is a different Q&A that took place on Thursday in a Discord channel.
Big thanks for this effort. It's very appreciated.
Rock and Stone, Miner.
GSG aren't making either Survivors or Rogue, just publishing another small studio's game which uses their IP.
DRG: Survivor is made by our good friends at FunDay.
DRG: Rogue Core is a spin-off of DRG, made by us at Ghost Ship.
The Art Director is not angry, the Art Director is sad.
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