PC. This has occured when the game was released, fixed after 10+dass, then reoccured weeks alter, and nother time in summer/fall? their content/system manager has no clue, but that happens when you have to locate programming in 5+ locations to save money...
Hey ProphetHito, can I quickly get your Uplay name to include in my notes about this ongoing issue you're running into?
Can you also please not carry over the stealth nerf to the blinder firefly of it not cooling down until the last enemy affected is no longer blind from the PTS to the live game? I keep hearing "we want build diversity" but if you keep that then the only cc build you will see in legendary missions is Hard Wired running blinder jammer because that's going to be the only way to keep those cool downs under control
The Blinder Firefly's cooldown delay is another issue that's been passed along to the team in a similar vein of feedback as the CC/Status nerf.
We should have more info to share by the end of the week.
content more of a challenge
should be "content more of a challenge and fun" The feeling of "having fun" isn't there anymore so please don't forget the fun part since this is a game not a game of causing frustration for players
Fair point. Though fun can be difficult - if not impossible - to qualify and quantify since every player is going to have their own type of fun.
But finding the right balance of fun, challenge, and reward is always the goal.
u/Ubi-Realdude if a full cc build is investing solely into status effects and the blind lasts for as long as a skill tier 0 build on challenging then the build is dead and won’t ever be used
You’ve probably seen loads of posts about this and I apologise in advance but I just think It’s important to note how important Build diversity is in a game like this
Without build diversity the game goes stale as players are limited in the builds that players can farm for. I understand you want Legendaries to be difficult but simply looking at Legendary Leaderboards needs to stop. I’ve never had a run on Legendary (after 40 runs at least) under 45 mins that’s more than 2 heroic missions. It is difficult and not everybody can complete it even at all right now in Live let alone 20 minutes.
The Heroic+ CC nerfs are being thoroughly re-examined - though I can't precisely quantify the adjustments as of right now. The team is still looking into making Heroic+ content more of a challenge*, but I think we all agree this particular change was an overstep and a misstep.
*Ideally along with proper fixes/improvements to loot generosity that don't currently feel present in Phase 2.
Here's the link to the Phase 2 Patch Notes), for posterity.
I'm glad to hear you like the Datagloves change in particular, since it is a pretty drastic shift compared to other Exotics getting uncontested buffs or...
Read moreWhen I logged in initally the UI did not display the new stats for weapons but I exited the game twice and the UI changed after a few minutes on the 2nd reload.
Extremely odd, but I'm glad it's all sorted. Thank you for the follow-up. Please let me know if the numbers ever change back on the UI for some reason.
I'll try, but unfortunately it doesn't happen regularly and so far I've been unable to find any pattern or set of actions which would replicate it. It's not even that easy to spot since the skills seem just normal until I try to use them.
I can make a video presenting the issue, but I imagine without steps leading to it occurring it won't be too helpful.
A video that happens to capture what's going on is supremely helpful - even just getting your platform/username info can help vastly expedite the process on our end.
u/Ubi-RealDude this is exactly why the changes proposed are bad it isn’t just gonna hurt groups it’s gonna severely Solo players
I hear you loud and clear on the status effect changes as a whole...
...But the build the OP is detailing wouldn't be impacted by those changes since it's all pure Weapon/Skill bullet DPS. No statuses. Unless I'm misreading something?
Like, I get you on the status changes hurting groups a lot and solo players even more... but this specific case isn't that.
Exactly what this is happening. The skill gets lock. We are unable to use it and change it. JUST HAPPENED TO ME
Do you recall the context of when/where/how/against whom the skill was used or what happened just before you were no longer able to use it? (I'm also assuming this is still the Seekers, so please correct me if I'm mistaken.)
Fair point - thanks for bringing this up. I'll try and look into it to see if it's intentional or something going awry.
I believe OP doesn't mean that seekers don't work mechanically, but the skill locks itself and is unusable. It's been happening for quite a while now with other skills too. It results in being unable to use or change your skills. When that happens my team mates can see me having the same skill equipped in both slots although I can't tell if it's the same for the OP.
Is there any chance you'd be able to have a friend take a screenshot or video of that occurring? Any additional details or steps to make that happen would also be appreciated.
Using the Sweet Dreams Talent to kill protected enemies can cause additional waves of NPCs to spawn, sometimes making another Guardian show up in a variety of situations.
With a ST-6 build, running Firewall with the appropriate shield/flame turret, you should have some opportunities to whittle down non-Guardians, then funnel the group in a compact area once 3 Guardians are up.
Thank you for replying but he game randomly updated after a few minutes :)
Just to clarify this - the UI now matches what was specified in the notes, right? Or are there still discrepancies?
Hey spidergyc - does this freezing only occur when Inspecting another player in the DZ? Or if you were to select a squad member or another way to Inspect does it also completely freeze the game?
Thanks for letting us know about this.
Hey domyong, could you elaborate on how the Seekers are not working - whether its target acquisition, falling through the floor on deployment, exploding but not dealing damage, etc. - and what platform are you on?
The final encounter of the Potomac Event center mission is quite good both for numbers of Guardians (in general) and enemy types. You can get several Outcast rushers per attempt, oftentimes since there are several, one will be a Guardian.
Best of luck.
It just means that in case you didn't know, bleed is useless, that also implies that anything that has bleed involved is useless, such is the case of the OD gear set, it got a reworked backpack trying to fix bleed but still failed. Now you hit it with this instead making the undepowered gear set a f**king joke instead. I have spent an entire year trying to bring the issues with bleed damage to light and posted so much feedback pointing towards that in the PTS forums only to get double nerfed. I don't think the devs really care about the feedback
Yes, the back-to-back direct and indirect nerfs to Bleed builds/the Ongoing Directive set have not been lost on me, particularly when it comes to Heroic+ content. It is a frustration that I am actively passing along to the team along with other topics in this thread.
Read morebut thats what im trying to say, you can put the same builds we used for our 22 min run into the hands of the inexperienced and they'll fail every time, just because we can run DUA legendary in 22 mins doesn't mean anyone can using these builds, we already have needed to formulate strategies and communicate heavily when we were figuring out how to be efficient in our runs, now its just become natural for us, but it required hard work to get to this point, i just don't see it neccessary to make this change, it just seems like every time something gets used too much or by a majority, you guys flip the game on its head and say "nope", if this keeps happening every time, people will just keep moving onto the next best tactic/strategy and then what? its just an endless cycle of this nonsense, there's always going to be a meta, you guys just have to figure out where its going to stay because this constant need to always change things is getting super tiring when it feels fine exactly how...
It is... tough because this is a test-change made with the explicit purpose of making Heroic+ harder, which I can understand doesn't make the Heroic+ content feel better for anyone playing it.
Looking around at the feedback even within the first hours, it's pretty plain to see that it's a highly contentious change. Especially when considering status/damage builds like I originally mentioned.
I think an important question to consider is does this hypothetical change actively turn CC builds into dead-weight/lost potential, better to be replaced by another DPS setup or something else? Or does it make them less dominant on the field; less likely to be the single most impactful presence on the team?
Finding that middle ground is difficult, for sure, but important.
I've definitely seen that the Phase 2 status changes have had a staggeringly negative impact on CC/Damage (Damaging Status Effect) builds - to the point of Bleed/Burn setups basically no longer being a viable option in Heroic+.
Which yes, reduces overall build possibilities in Heroic+ content and ruins the fun for those builds. This also makes a hard cutoff for Bleed/Burn builds at Challenging, since they'll take a huge hit the moment they bump up to Heroic.
However - from what I've seen the pure CC Status builds that focus on Disorient, Blind, etc. aren't as impacted at the higher end. Optimized Control builds shouldn't be as impacted by this change as damage status or mid-quality Control builds (again, all this is based on what's been shared with me so far).
That's not to say the change is perfect... but it might be a step in a positive direction to make Heroic+ more demanding of higher-quality builds and more coordinated commun...
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