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A simple 2 second wiki search would actually show you that Italy did not get the same VTOL aircraft given to the US this patch (AV-8A/C) but in fact the AV-8B Harrier II.

It is a later generation model that is not the same as the ones added at the moment.

We are absolutely not near that aircraft yet as I just said above. I said we are not near F-16 / Typhoon or Tornado right now.

I / we don't need further ideas thank you. We were discussing supersonic / modern fighter aircraft for Italy, not just general aviation.

My point being, as soon as the ASA does come, Italy is going to have a hell of a wait until something better comes. So its not a good idea to rush it asap.

Good thing its not 9.3 anymore then isn't it

And we only just added the Harrier first generation series (GR.1/3 and AV-8A/C), so again, dont expect it anytime soon. Its not a "current" aircraft at all.

Unfortunately this is to be expected. Again, Between the F-104S and ASA, nations like the USA, USSR and UK had a ton of jets. France also has more options in this era than Italy has by a long shot. The facts simply are we are entering an era where nations like Italy, Japan and in some cases even Germany have big gaps where others dont in terms of aviation.

We cant invent Italian aircraft that simply didn't exist. Thats not saying that more Italian jets are not coming over time, but expectations for them really need to be rolled back.

They dont. Air also had almost 3 years of focus before Ground Forces.

Once again, ASA is Italy's only major step between now and then much later generation aircraft like F-16 / Eurofighter / Tornado which we are not even close to just yet.

Considering Italy just got the 104S only a few patches ago, dont expect to see the ASA super soon at all.

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Nobody said we do. The point was to avoid using the word "broken" as they do in fact work. There may yet be issues in need of fixing which as I said just needs bug reporting. But acting as though they don't work at all is equally untrue.

Actually no, your just going to end up with a warning this time. We have warned about it so many times in the past. Its not what these topics are for. If you want to wishlist, go to a wishlist.

Unless more info comes to light on it, most likely not as its basically non existent from any source perspective.

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Certainly with these two, dont expect to see them anytime soon whatsoever if ever at all unless something drastically changes on the information front.

Both at the moment are company demonstrators and there is no reliable information on them at all other than what gun they have. There is no proof their turrets are also anything more than weighted test turrets and no information about armoured protection at all.

Or how about we please dont turn this into a wishlist topic again, after just a single week?

Because you see someone else going off topic, thats not a call for just "Ok well I guess ill do it too".

Again, I really struggle to comprehend why people feel the need for their to be discussion in this singular topic when there is a whole forum, with dedicated sections, topics and discussions exactly for the things you want to talk about.

Or perhaps once again, we are not here to confirm/deny things all the time. Especially since its been not even a week since the last major update.