Originally posted by P0L1Z1STENS0HN

To put a price to that - according to the screenshot the 2nd level needs 2250 science packs. I think it's safe to assume the same exponential progression as with e.g. artillery range.

Then, if I put it into my spreadsheet correctly, the total needed to get to level 30, is 1,207,959,550,875.

Assuming that all the quality improvements allow us to reach 50k spm, that's just over 1100 years of playtime; and we would have to get to 1M spm to be able to live to see level 30. And then it takes just as long as all previous levels together, to research level 31...

Originally posted by Kano96

Most of these seem like low output volume recipes, is that on purpose? It makes sense to me, you are unlikely to fill a full belt of steel, so the extra productivity won't cause any issues in most cases. (and it's not a big deal to design these factories with some extra output belt capacity in mind)

Plastic seems like the odd one out in that aspect tho. I like the inclusion of an oil product, but I feel like a combined oil processing/liquefaction or just rocket fuel would make more sense.

Originally posted by lee1026

If the cost is exponential like the current ones, even very large factories won’t be touching level 30. Two to the power of 30 is a lot.

Originally posted by sonaxaton

Do technologies that require a trigger work even if you trigger it while the technology is locked behind other technologies? Like does it "remember" that you triggered it in the past, so you would instantly research it once it becomes available?

Originally posted by FlurgBungler

Are the changes to research and the trigger technologies going to be exclusive to Space Age, or will they change the base game too?

Originally posted by megalogwiff

How can the endgame research be infinite, if productivity is capped at 300%?

Also, designing perfect ratios for late game just became practically impossible.

Originally posted by Choice_Percentage_26

I would like to have the option to show a message in chat when a research is completed, like in the "Improved Resarch Queue" mod by sonaxaton. With the queue like it is now it is easy to miss what research was completed.

Originally posted by StarryGlobe089

Triggered research sounds great! Perhaps they should be color coded differently in the research tree so that you can identify what needs manual action.

Will research always be unlocked by either science packs or trigger, or can a research require both?

Originally posted by Radoslawy

1 - if quality probability isn't a problem because with a big factory it will turn into ratios why not have it as a ratio from the start, instead of having 25% probability to make a better tier why not have every fourth item better (still dislike it tho, it will make blueprints worse and putting same recycler loop for every building in mall seems boring) 2 - productivity research will make ratios impossible
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Originally posted by Asddsa76

I don't like gating refineries and chemplant research behind setting up an oil pumpjack.

Currently, I automate tens of pumpjacks, refineries, and chemplants, along with necessary railway, then set up a refinery outpost somewhere with oil + coal + water in one go.

The new system would require going there once to set up pumpjacks to unlock the research, going back to your main base to automate refineries/chemplants, and then finally going back to set up the rest of the outpost.

Originally posted by Nazeir

What happens to the infinity research when your base prod bonus is 300%? It wouldn't provide any more bonuses right? So what's the point of continuing to research it?

Originally posted by Asddsa76

I don't like gating refineries and chemplant research behind setting up an oil pumpjack.

Currently, I automate tens of pumpjacks, refineries, and chemplants, along with necessary railway, then set up a refinery outpost somewhere with oil + coal + water in one go.

The new system would require going there once to set up pumpjacks to unlock the research, going back to your main base to automate refineries/chemplants, and then finally going back to set up the rest of the outpost.

Originally posted by Learwin

What was the determining factor for which recipes have been chosen? From the post it seems like high cost intermediates.

Originally posted by DanmakuGrazer

Infinite crafting productivity research will make it impossible to have lasting perfect assembler ratios for endgame items, which sounds pretty exciting. Transporting materials by train to a dedicated production site will probably be a lot more effective, and you might even oversaturate your output belts eventually. Interesting stuff to think about during the most monotonous part of the game.

Also love the changes to early game research, I felt overwhelmed when I started even in the tutorial. They won't make a difference to someone who already knows what they're doing, but they'll help get new players used to all their starting tools.

Originally posted by Jjeffess

For modding, are Quality tiers basically a new prototype definition, or is there only a specific set of attributes that can be varied by Quality? So if somebody wants high Quality beacons to be OP, that could be a mod?

Originally posted by rpetre

I have the impression that only a few items are going to be worth upgrading. Probably the devs decided that if quality is a property of any item, they might as well have fun and set the bonuses to whatever would make sense in-universe. From a cost/benefit perspective, I expect that just the personal items and the spaceship components (since it'll have space and energy constraints) would be worth it.

Originally posted by SorryAboutTomorrow

Is it not pretty common to have a remote factory that build something like plastic and bring them to another part of your factory via trains? If you add some quality modules to your plastic factory, you have to deal with the factory producing multiple quality types of plastic that have to get loaded into trains.