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Ehh since the items and changes are all very recent it’s completely possible it’s just a mistake on PBE. Especially since 2 Riot sources are saying it’s supposed to be on-hit
Edit: Beluga responded, it’s meant to be on attack.
no its meant to be an on-attack rune. the tooltip will clarify that shortly. we may re-assess this when tuning it later
Are you worried about lethal tempo doubly scaling with attack speed? Attack speed not only increases the on-hit damage, but also means that those attacks come out more often.
I'm not complaining cause Jax will be happy about it, too, but I wonder if the double scaling is intentional? Of course the amount by which LT's on-hit damage scales with each % AS could always be nerfed, so it would just be a matter of finding the right numbers
no, it'll be tuned to whatever state it needs to be for AS to be good purchases on LT champs. the current tuning may not be it.
Well at this point what type of data for examples would you guys deem appropriate to use to try and fix these skewed perceptions or try to address the bell curve? I unfortunately main support so can't speak for Junglers. But thank you for the response!
We're trying to manage reality + perception across a lot of champions across different skill brackets and we're not going to get it right every time, I'm always interested in real gameplay stories or examples since we'd rather optimize for the experience of playing the game vs. looking at a tier list or winrates on the internet.
You see champs posted on sites like U.GG like Amumu, and Lilia being S tier junglers but then see Belveth being B tier.
Sites like U.GG do skew the perception upon seeing stuff like this and while there are many other sites that would do this... Theres no real concrete way to know because at times it boils down to three things: Champ knowledge and how accessible their learning curve is, Team cohesion, and macro knowledge.
But what tends to skew skill perception is if people choose X champ and then they don't really know how to play another champ if they're a OTP Jungler...
Does this help at all?
I mean heck.. Even for Supports, according to U.gg that Milio, Sona and Zilean are considered B tier compared to Pyke, Senna, and a few others... But it also depends on which rank you're looking at them on U.gg as well... Because lower Elos only gravitate towards whats the best play and get silohed into this thought process to not really explore other champs...
Yeah definitely agree there's nuance to it, interested in people's understanding of why some champs are S vs. B tier and what y'all think we should do about that through some examples.
Looking at Amumu vs. Bel'veth on u.gg 14.17 all ranks, he's S+ tier and she's B tier. Bel'Veth is verifiably the harder champion to learn, players lose a lot of their initial games on her, while first few-game Amumu players are much more successful. They start to equalize in performance once players are around mastery level 11, and earlier in Emerald+ levels (~ mastery level 6 the BV players start to win more games than comparably skilled Amumu players). So basically, if you want to become a Bel'veth main and put time into mastering her, your investment should pay off there.
It's impossible to perfectly balance a game like this. There are too many variables to consider. The game needs to be at the very least tolerable/bearable. Right now LoL is EXTREMELY unbearable to play balance wise. The disparity between champions is unreal. An S tier champ is leagues above an A tier champ (no pun intended) and uncomparable to a B tier champ.
What are some examples of those S & B tier champs for you?
where is the post-game honor update? I've been waiting for them so much
Hey folks, Honor is on its way. We found a couple bugs in testing and decided to leave in PBE for a few more weeks to give players the best experience. Apologies for the mixup!
Are VODs no longer being offered on the official site, or did they vanish due to this bug? I still don't see VODs
Hey Useful_Department852, which VODs are you looking for? They are still offered on the site, but we have consolidated all of the information that was on the old /vods page and /schedule page into just the homepage. You can now access VODs straight from home by pushing the "play" button next to a completed match.
Is that not working for you?
Hey, still cant even find the VODS. Tried to watch last week's games elsewhere and they got spoiled for me.
The new site is atrocious for this the use cases of "Want to know when games are" and "Watching game VODs later", which are the only two reasons I ever visit the website. What was the rationale behind the changes made?
Hey gnomehouse, can you tell me more about not being able to see VODs at all? There are some leagues that we don't support fully (like NACL or LPL sometimes). But for most major leagues (LCK, LEC, LCS, etc.) VODs should be visible within a few hours of the match concluding.
I would also love to hear what is frustrating about finding when games are.
Why would you do this. Now we have confirmation its not just random streamer hype since you commenting means its at least substantial. Im now hyped omfg Riot you guys are dropping Arcane, Worlds anthem, New Split and 2025 changes all in the next months. Nuclear
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Ah ok, for the record it sounds like a really cool rune, just sounded a bit broken in this form XD
Yeah initial playtests were people slamming 3 elixirs as soon as they were unlocked at level 9, it was pretty wild. Still some more work to do on it if we were going to ship it.
Sadly Endless elixirs seems to be bugged and not working on PBE :(
That being said that sounds like a broken rune for a minor rune, no?
Whoops, enjoy the spoilers, that's something we're noodling on for next year and isn't coming in Split 3. Experimental content and may or may not ship in anything resembling that current form.
Typo I’m guessing. Probably meant 2300g.
Yeah, it's meant to be 2300
If they manage to make LT, which is now an:
On-Hit, AS Scaling, Auto Attack enhancing RUNE
Bad on the: On-Hit based, AS Steroid, Auto Attack Champion that Irelia is
I'll be genuinely impressed
is that a challenge
Could you perhaps share with us if you reduced Lichbane's passive dmg? Because before you allowed it to be this high cause it was "grandfathered in" even though it was higher than the max dmg you allowed on those kind of items (I think Stormsurge's passive was named as the highest possible number)
tiny bit
This will not make me move on a bad wave, Riot cannot force me to ruin my lane for a single camp. >:(
Wouldn't want you to either. It's on the subtler side, and should mostly help awareness that something is going on that you could consider rotating to if it makes sense. It'll at least let you know why your jungler might be behind when they're getting bullied off of their camps by Nidalee.
Are there any items with really big changes, or are they all smaller changes?
Depends on what you define as big, it's mostly item cost and stat changes, with some build path changes and a few removed or simplified passives.
Soooo, no preview of items ?
It's basically every item in the game receiving stat changes and the numbers aren't fully locked yet, so we're saving that novel for patch notes.