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Doubt a Team consisting od Huni Froggen Aphro and Sneaky who were all good on international stage would end 10th, idk what this circlejerk of people saying DIG even without Sneaky is a 10th place team

Were all already there xD

Great question - I'm trying to find out. Used to have it, but it sounds like new reddit caused some issues.

I do want to be fair - a number of Rioters have been working for years on enabling us to do things like this. We wouldn't be able to launch Forge without the years of work internally on the IP

Normals can be a part of the puzzle, but they don't perfectly correlate to skill in Ranked. It's probably a good thing for us to consider, but it's not the solution all by itself.

We match based on MMR, not Rank, so starting placements lower rank-wise wouldn't matter. If we started at a lower MMR, as I mentioned in the original post, it just ends up moving the middle downward and destabilizing more games along the way.

As for account age vs. climbing, I may be misunderstanding your example, but let's say you have a 300 game account that is settled in at Gold III. Then, you make a new account and play some games, and rise quickly to Gold III - much faster than the 300 games you played on the last account.

What you're not taking into account is that on the older account, you weren't necessarily at Gold III skill the entire time. Over the course of those 300 games, your skill changed and improved up to Gold III, and your MMR and Rank changed to follow. Now when you make a new account, your skill is starting at Gold III, and your MMR will adjust to that very quickly. Since you weren't the same player when you started the second account, you shoul...

We don't plan on bringing visible MMR back - when MMR is working correctly, it does a lot of things that feel bad when you look at it in isolation. The biggest one is that for half the population, MMR only goes down, because we start people in the middle and then naturally, half the population has to be the bottom half.

As a side note, the API was not sending MMRs out to third party sites, that was a separate estimation done by those places. Part of the reason we asked for it to be removed was that it was often substantially wrong and led to a lot of false expectations.

Winrates are a very fuzzy metric, because they don't take into account who you won against. A lot of new accounts that eventually reach Diamond+ will start with 70 or 80% winrates, because they're a Diamond skilled player facing off against Gold skilled opposition. But as they move through the ranks and face harder opponents, their winrate will go down. That doesn't mean they've gotten worse - it means we've gotten enough information to give them more fair games.

So provisional games aren't meant to mark the best rank you can achieve, just where you're starting your season. From your particular case, it sounds like you ended right on the threshold of Silver I and Gold IV, so as you won more games, it makes sense that you'd move upwards.

So generally I agree, but tuning those kinds of models is not super easy, and can run into issues where once you've tuned it, you may promote strategies that focus on convincing the system you're good rather than actually winning the game. We are experimenting with some options along these lines, though, and they show promise.

So MMR is meant to measure your skill, and that is all it's meant to care about. This means that we want it to be able to adapt quickly, be fine with overestimating, and move around quickly as we get new info.

LP is meant to be more steady and certain, so it moves slower and is less responsive to small trends. This is why it takes more games for your LP to move upwards and sometimes catch up with your MMR - it's effectively waiting for a larger sample size.

Also, if you are making new accounts (which I'm inferring from your post), it's going to take longer for your LP to catch up, because again, we're starting over from new info each time.

Normal games may be part of the answer, but results in Normals don't necessarily correlate 100% to results in Ranked. People don't always have the same competitive intent in Normal mode, so a player of average skill who tries hard may be slightly above average in normals, while a player of above average skill who messes around may end up below average. Then when those two players go into Ranked and start both trying hard, their Normal MMR wouldn't actually reflect their relative skill.

It is a good starting place, though!

Yup, get where you're coming from on this, and it's a cool idea! But it's operating on the assumption that new players fall between those two points. We don't necessarily know that to be true (and in the specific case of saying they should be between average and somewhere below average, we actually KNOW that isn't true - many new accounts are above average skill).

There's probably a version of this where you could pick a point below average and a point above average, and execute the same function - but this would still constrain players into that range for their first few games, and do a poor job of handling outliers who are either really good or really bad. And for players who are really good, we'd be dropping them into below-average skill games for much longer, which makes those matches feel unfair to the players who really fit into those games.

We try to model our skill estimation to the results we get, not towards a particular shape of a distribution we have in mind before starting. So aiming for a bottom-heavy distribution wouldn't necessarily be representative of the data we see in game.

Sorry to hear it - support ticket is going to be your best bet. Hope it gets resolved for you!

While I'd disagree that provisional games are less impactful than post-placement games, you do make a good point that since you can't skip divisions during provisionals, you may get bigger single game jumps, depending on where and when those wins happen.

Some atypical things do happen when you go 9/1 or 10/0 in provisionals, though - I think this is more a product of you having an excellent win streak and the system cautiously catching you up than anything else.

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We'd love to work on a big title at some point, but for now we need to build our muscles publishing some smaller games before we take on something like that.

Event accounts are seeded at a higher than usual MMR, but they do a lot less to disrupt the MMR balance because:

• They're only active for a smaller period of time
• They're seeded much closer to a reasonable approximation of their skill, since we know the pro player's performance already
• The number of pro players coming in is fairly small.

These accounts probably cause a slight overall deflation (as we don't seed them as high as some of these players are on their home server, so they tend to gain MMR), but it's considerably less than if we let those players enter the system via smurf accounts without higher seeding.

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