The new patches are confusing, rumble is on the buff list and yet u guys remove his attackspeed on overheat wich made him good in duelling... Also talon is on buff list but hes gets gutted for lane 4th time in a row ( another midlane nerf) why that?
New post should show those changes that are not just straight buffs as adjustments now.
Will you do any compensation nerds or what to call it?
Draven, no matter how bad he feels with new items, is currently pretty strong according to win rates. Just straight up buffing him when he is already a strong pick will make perma ban, no?
Perhaps some base damage is lowered or cool down on ult?
I love Draven more than any other champ, played since some weeks after his release, with you know, real passive and all. Managed to get D1 Draven only some seasons back. So I am very happy and excited to see this. But also afraid to see him gutted after it.
Winrates are an extremely fickle thing. This change likely does not do much in most normal (non-pro) League of Legends games, but is a non-trivial amount of power. Ideally, this change does almost nothing to buff him in non-pro, and encourages pro players to pick him more. We don't anticipate the change to be enough of a buff to warrant compensation nerfs currently, and doing compensation nerfs would also hurt his chances of showing up in pro. We would of course nerf him still if we determined he was strong enough that these changes would push him over the power threshold that we determine him to be overpowered.
Yo real talk, that Draven buff seems legit.
It helps him kill if he’s been playing properly (getting stacks and not dying).
It doesn’t help a Draven get more ahead (since his stacks reset to 0 upon a kill).
it isn’t a mechanic that’s too powerful when behind (he loses half stacks on death, compared to how useful Viego’s passive is when he’s behind).
That’s a perfect example of a wildly experimental change that doesn’t seem oppressive in pro play on paper and can likely be balanced with buffs and nerfs (I.e. reduce ult ratio, or make it so that half stacks is the threshold, etc.).
In the rare cases we see Draven in pro, he often ends up with a huge amount of stacks and the game ends up often being decided on if he cashes in or not. This change aims to help give pro Draven who saved up an additional way to cash out and be rewarded for stacking up huge.
Hasn't mid lucian been dogshit in soloq since forever? he's been at the very bottom of winrates for months now even among players that are experienced lucian players
Lucian in both bot and mid has been consistently weak for quite awhile, with pickrates between the two lanes being very similar. In pro however he was still very consistently picked almost exclusively in mid lane.
Rengar mini-rework is next patch I suppose? Damn I was so hyped
There was not a ship date for the Rengar changes, they were released to PBE only to gather feedback to inform how players feel about them before we move forward.
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Can't you just make a mini-rework like Irelia one ? Adjusting a lot of numbers to shift the power of her kit. Aurelion and Taliyah really need something... They have been in a weird spot forever...
We have tried Irelia and Xin-Zhao esque reworks to her in the part but they haven't found as much success unfortunately. I agree they do need something its just a matter of finding the time and resources.
Then we have Swain with .4% pickrate Midlane. You know the 'midlaner' that's been mini reworked twice to get him back there and into higher elos, but ended being a crappy cheese support in very low elo and a kinda pretty successful APC (only with certain supports) but a very low pickrate.
Swain is in a pretty similar spot as Taliyah. Very unpopular but one of the highest winrates in the game so that limits us on what we can do. Likely would also need larger-scope work to have a chance at making significant pickrate and satisfaction gains.
Ill say this first since it always comes up but- its clear winrate is not the only important stat when evaluating a champion. With that being said it is a huge limiting factor in what we can do. Taliyah's winrate is already in a spot where there is not a lot we can do with her to give her satisfaction without giving her power. We did the closest we could in opening her back up to being a jungler earlier this year, where as before she was only a mid laner and even more unpopular than she is now. Opening her up to jungler gave her a boost in playrate and it seems Taliyah players overall enjoy her more in the jungle for a variety of reasons. Beyond, the champion is unfortunately just genuinely unpopular. This could be for a variety of reasons, but the fact remains true. We have tried small changes to solve it but couldn't get anything to stick. I think at this point its clear to get a big increase in pick rate she would require some large-scale work which is difficult to find time for...
Read moreBut why should a "hyper" scaling champion have a strong early game? Doesn't that defeat the purpose and a source of counter-play towards that class?
There are far, far more points in the game than early and late. In this examples "early" is referencing even just levels 1/2/3, past that a lot of these champions become extremely weak until later in the game. A lot of champions have counter-play that is completely unrelated to a point in the game. A champion like Riven is less so considered "weak" during a specific point in the game and moreso countered by something like CC for example. This is also something that is entirely by champion and less by class. Orianna and Veigar are both mages, but Veigar's early lane is one of the weakest in the game while Oriannas is one of the strongest, despite being the same class.
Solo queue data suggests that more of her power is in the early game. She’s good at forcing 15- and 20-minute surrenders. She comparatively falls off versus the average bot laner from there.
I think its a pretty common pattern to have hyper scalers be very strong at early levels then have weak mid games then obviously strong late games. GP comes to mind as a great example, Kayle, Yasuo are some others that come to mind.
I have seen a Shen do that in aram, people say it looks like boots but in reality it's anathemas chains and that is why he has so much tenacity, i'm not sureof the information i'm giving though
This is correct, this is a known bug
Read moreReading back on it, on one hand it could be "super formally written with no emotionally loaded language in it at all"...but this isn't even close to the type of regular "feedback" we see in this community. And some of the "harsh" language is how I actually feel, and how I actually interpret a lot of things when it comes to Riot's handling of Sona (let alone other enchanter champions besides her, but that's probably for other days), the Sona community's shifty stance(s) on her, and the time line of where we were and how we got here.
I didn't make this post just to rail on one side or the other. I made this post because this project just reeks of the last one: There's enough interest to try, but not enough to try enough. You don't have to rip the whole champ apart and put in something brand new, per say (Wouldn't keep me up at night, personally. Worked WONDERS for Poppy and I love her), but like...this approach is too reserved. Perhaps I don't have to necess...
No hard feelings friend, appreciate the response. Agree that this post isnt nearly as bad as a lot of others and I understand since its coming from passion. Just wanted to offer some genuine advice to help your thoughts stand out more! I’ll make sure the post gets seen but I wouldn’t expect much in the way of changes since these are so far along
Just a piece of feedback from someone who writes, reads, and receives a lot of feedback in their career. We read reddit, we go through a lot of the fanbases feedback, and we often use it to inform our decisions. A great way to get your feedback read and considered is to work it in a respectful, non-hyperbolic way. Just present your information in a factual and informative manner. The more hyperboles and exaggerative (and frankly, rude) language you use the harder it is to actual parse your opinion and analysis on things.
maokai buffs are dangerous, he is in support lane jail right now and actually pretty strong.
Anything not specifically intended to buff only his solo lane power might push him into broken territory.
We want him out of support jail and into top jail
"Why does Akshan have a revive?" "f**k if we know, random cool fun ig"
"do you have any idea exactly how powerful this revive is?" "of course not"
I don't know if you are joking and just wanted to insert this funny clip but this article (which I am assuming you didnt read based on the reply) literally explains why he has a revive in great detail.
But that’s not what you’re here for; you’re here to ask “do you have any idea exactly how powerful this revive is?”
To which I’d answer—of course not.
I can already tell this exact quote is gonna get brought up in response to a future champion being overpowered like the 200 years thing
I am at peace with this "meme" because honestly the answer is candid. For example how much power is a potentially 5-man 2.5s complete invulnerability? On paper that is surely game-breaking absurdity but in practice Taric ult is a completely fair and reasonable spell. We want each champion to have an identity and do something unique, and quantifying that uniqueness is almost always exceptionally difficult. I would almost aruge that the less quantifiable an effect is the more interesting and unique that makes it, though our goals vary for each project on just how much we want to push the bar.
I'm not worried about Akshan's kit as it stands.
What I am worried about is when he releases with a horrific low winrate, and the design team decides to overbuff him to the point where that long list of 'weaknesses' no longer even exist.
There's nothing that scares me more than a new Champion with a zany kit and a very low winrate. It only means big buffs that may upheave the delicate tuning required to make those zany new mechanics permissible to begin with. We'll see what happens.
Thats a fair concern, and its something we keep in mind when hotfixing him. We choose AD partially because his last hitting and farming was very difficult, which isn't a weakness we wanted him to have (nor likely any champion to have). Things like the attack speed are on our radar for similar reasons, we have weaknesses we want him to have, but for our buffs we want to target those weaknesses which aren't intentional or vital to his identity.
I'm still struggling to understand how a champion with a presence of 43% in the LPL and 52% in the LCK is anything other than extremely strong. Pros don't pick weak champions.
She actually fits one of the criteria for an instant nerf in their balancing framework, which is a >45% banrate in challenger.
I will only comment on one thing which is that pros will absolutely 100% pick "weak" champions, and in fact do so very often. This is of course if your definition of weak champion is purely by low winrate.
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