GalaxySmash

Can't speak on the team's stance on it, but I can give my personal opinion here. I think bringing Sylas jungle back could be not too bad, but the struggle with making these champions junglers is what we want to do it without buffing their lane. There will always be overlap to some degree, but minimizing that overlap as much as possible is always a goal. Something I feel we also tend to want to avoid is introducing junglers that will just be clear gods AND scale absurdly well, and thus they are incentivized to just powerfarm in the jungle until they scale to late game. This is part of the reason you don't see marksman among the champions we are trying to introduce into the jungle. Also caveat here that of course some champions like this already exist (looking at your Karthus), but they are in the minority and them existing to some degree adds some healthy variety, we just want to avoid that being the overwhelming strategy of junglers.

This sentiment is mostly correct, in general we are looking to increase the popularity of jungle across the board by introducing traditionally popular champions, especially in lower elos.

We aren't looking to remove his jungle viability, so I would expect him to stay viable at the worst, and likely still be a competitive pick.

Ironically I feel like this is the problem with his jungle, he powerfarms to get ahead and just runs you down, with little opportunity to stop him from scaling.

Correct, the change is meant to nerf jungle and buff top lane.

Always a fan of smashing galaxies <3. We don't really want to forcibly enable Gwen jungle, we are fine with it existing but she is primarily a top laner and secondarily a mid laner. Viego can hopefully sustain junglers' desires for a new champion for awhile! He's awesome :D

Haha all that is not to say we don't push broken numbers to live, mistakes happen regardless. The goal of these changes is to broaden the jungle pool by giving champion that are more broadly popular in all elos (especially lower elos) the ability to exist as junglers. Expect these numbers to be tuned as necessary, we want these champions to be playable in the jungle, but won't force them to be S tier.

Not quite. Often content that goes to PBE is completely ready to go to live (think art, assets, etc.) but their tuning states are not necessarily there. To my knowledge we don't use PBE data to tune because the data is very very far off reliable, but the tuning numbers are often not final on item/champion changes by the time they get pushed to PBE.

Fix for this should be in for 11.7!

Yeah really liking what we got coming down the pipeline, I worked closely with Truexy the designer for the Xin Zhao update so I feel extra confident on that. Ofc thanks for the chat as well :)

Indeed, I think there is also this unforunate scenario where a champ that is function and even good design wise like Neeko gets overshadowed by champions that more desperately need work done to keep them up to bar.

I wasn't here for Neeko's dev cycle so I can't speak on it personally. I doubt she was rushed out of production because we have a high bar for quality, though she was released a long time ago and things were likely different in a variety of ways back then. As far as being as "Neeko" as she can be, the identity of a champ is hard to speak on because realistically they are who they are, whether thats for the best or not. I personally do not believe Neeko as a design is fully realized, though thats not to say I think its a poor design. I personally love the design, and I also think the champ could also be so much more. A lot of where I think we could advance her further (mainly her W) stems from areas where we likely just didn't have the tech to do what we can do now with champions.

I was told it is intended, and while I disagree and don't feel it matches my expectations, I don't feel strongly enough to challenge that call.

Alright did some digging:

There is a mix here of bugs that are being tracked and worked on being fixed, some new things uncovered that I have reported, as well as some here that are working as intended.

Some specifics- the hitbox thing feels off, I will look into it and see what I can but no promises.

Comet/HoB being visual when disguised is working as intended. I believe the bug is when they DON'T show when disguised.

Skin bugs are outside the realm of where I can help unfortunately.

Biggest thing I can say here is Neeko's HP not showing while disguised is known and being tracked.

It really doesn't, me responding here is just very visual and thus skews bias. Theres literally countless bugs we report on and fix that you don't see. At the same time, we also can't fix bugs that we don't know about, so things like this help us get visualization into those problems.

Every time...

I'll look into it and see what I can do. A few of these seem like easy fixes while others seem difficult, but maybe. Best I can do is get eyes on it which I will do for ya. Neeko is best decision :)

Too real

Precisely

They hated him because he spoke the truth