PhreakRiot

Originally posted by TetBoyzzz

no one gets to have good games on them because of the 0.001%

Only if you're assuming a lower average winrate/rank means lower satisfaction.

I think its important to look at why certain players would main certain champions here and I think there is a (decently substantial) number of players who picked Azir specifically because he's the "Pro Player champion" and find satisfaction from being able to play him.

Sure there will be Azir players that just want him to be better in their soloqueue games who will be happy to see the winrate increase but my problem is that those are the players being catered to by these and many other recent changes and it feels like the former are being treated as though they don't exist.

Originally posted by Spideraxe30

Hey Phreak there’s a bug on PBE where Azir’s turret loses resistances if he is untargetable like with Zhonyas as if he were dead or far away

Originally posted by Notingale

High skill ceiling is not correlated to Pro Play popularity. It’s about toolkit, which Azir has in the form of hyper scaling super safe poke machine skill set, which is not good in solo because aggression is more rewarding there.

Originally posted by Hirokei

I don't play Azir, so I don't know, but does that 5 seconds cut into the duration? If so I would definitely lean towards cutting the build time, at least in half to match the pre-buff version.

Originally posted by GalaxySmash

Ah my favorite Balance team member, Galaxy Smash

Originally posted by xMisuto

In my opinion as a main masters azir otp, i think you are aiming at the right direction. Things i would do that should make him more low elo, less high elo:

!!!!Nerf early game laning!!!!!:

- remove Q base dmg, add alot of scaling (you reduced but can be removed tbh)

- buff W a bit to make last hitting easier

- buff base ad (you did that)

- keep mana at pre nerf, mana is a low elo thing, pros manage it way better (i now just run 1 mana rune and dont feel the mana nerfs...)

- !!! IF POSSIBLE: reduce W cs dmg ~50% BUT add a low hp execute on cs to offset !!!!

Buff lategame scalings:

- buff E and R dmg scaling (you did this as well)

- buff W scaling

- keep W passive atkspeed (!! you can remove the tripple atkspeed buff if you think its such a high elo thing, but with enough cdr getting 3/4 soldiers out is normal, so i dont really see why low elo doesnt/couldnt use this !!)

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Originally posted by Twouseacc

ah ,unfortunante.

Also ,what are your thoughts on hitting his early waveclear over base stat nerfs ? (like soldiers having even less AoE early) ,seems like a way to target high elo/pro preformance specifically

Originally posted by Twouseacc

Honestly would be great if the 3 soldier mechanic stayed ,even if at a lower power to keep your intended goals (like W giving 0 free AS ,but 3 soldiers giving 10-30% extra depending on ability rank).

It gives a satisfying feeling of power when you get to use it ,especially lategame when it's more spammable.

Originally posted by Jozoz

You're not worried that adding a real passive adds to an already really complete kit with few weaknesses?

Originally posted by UNOvven

Wait, so is the logic basically that some champs are just allowed to perpetually be on the strong/dominant side? Is that why Lee keeps getting massive buffs he doesnt need and why he isnt nerfed even when he is extremely broken?

Originally posted by ViraLCyclopes19

But I want a dps mage not a burst one with some Utility where it seems he's heading rn with the R and E buffs next patch + this. I think most agree as well, Dps > Burst. Should leave some attack speed scaling somewhere tbh. Don't think base attack speed buffs are gonna justify it enough.

But I'll wait till I see em in action before judging fully.

Originally posted by mikael22

Phreak, what are your thoughts about the Azir keeping shuffle/removing shuffle debate that pops up every time Azir balance is mentioned? Do you think it is fine that a large amount of his power budget is tied into his shurima shuffle?

Originally posted by Hoshiimaru

I have played this champion for three years, got me to masters last season and I'd like to hear how do you think those changes help him to make him not too picked in pro play? As I understand you are nerfing his early game but he can still sit back and farm with W with perma prio.

Originally posted by Cube_

All I ask is that after these changes hit the live servers please monitor Azir's game health and continue to iterate based on data for the next 4-5 patches.

The worst feeling in the past with sweeping large changes like this for a champion is when Riot does them and then just starts ignoring the champion. It leaves the dedicated playerbase of the champion alienated and dejected.

If these changes miss on the champion fantasy just please keep trying different things until it is solved.

Originally posted by 2th

Phreak, I want you to know that I absolutely love you for how much effort you put into responses like this. Thank you very much for such an explanation.

Originally posted by ix-sqt-ix

So the new tower can proc things like luden’s and night harvester but not passives like nashor’s tooth?

Originally posted by Raynal7

f**k yes. Then I think this is amazing work. Nice job with the changes recently, I find it very refreshing as a long time player.

Also, is the W attack speed a mistake as well? I have to assume you arent planning to remove 110% attack speed from max rank W and hope that the new base AS changes make up for it, right?

Originally posted by Raynal7

Gonna need context here. What are we missing? These changes just make Azir dog shit. Tower ap ratio doesn't realistically matter, Q base dmg and mana cost changes mean Azir is garbage in lane.

Fine. Nerf his lane phase, but where are the compensation buffs? Instead W loses massive amount of base damage, for 5% ap scaling?

The Q changes are okay, fine, but he needs compensation buffs here or he will be 40% winrate. Not to mention, taking away the W attack speed?? The buffs to his AS ratio are not nearly enough here.

Would like to see more changes here. The direction is good if you are just aiming to gut his early lane phase and allow him to scale into a dps monster.

Originally posted by 2th

So what exactly is your goal with these Azir changes?