If they're going to be more aggressive with bans, I think they'll need to be way more lenient on pre-30 games. Can easily see a new player having a rough game and getting banned incorrectly. And new players will just leave the game after a ban like that - would be awful for player retention.
Yep, different metrics are needed for things like account level, MMR, maybe region.
Nice to hear, I wouldn’t enjoy getting banned just for playing stuff that might not be meta at that given time. But as long as there are options like asking the support to revert a ban or so ( is that how it works? ), I wouldn’t mind getting falsely banned once or twice if that leads to less inting long term.
Yeah, we'd certainly want to keep some form of appeals process. Wouldn't want to rely really heavily on it though, results in both a sh*tty experience for incorrectly banned players even if things do get reversed and player support being slower to respond on other things if they're working through a huge pile of incorrect penalties. Some rate of incorrect penalties seems reasonable, don't want to rely on mitigation like player support intervention too much though.
Out of curiosity, did you guys start prioritizing player behavior changes before Voyboy's video, since Brightmoon noted that that was one of the big trends that really ruined the ranked experience for players earlier this season
Some of this work has been underway for a while, as per Brightmoon's video and an Ask Riot response a couple of months ago. Plus, much as I wish we could, doing things like improving how notifications work is something that takes a lot longer than a few days.
Having said that the recent discussion has also served as a catalyst for us to prioritize work we'd planned to do someday sooner. Better detection was on our roadmap for later in the year, after talking a lot about the issue and reading all the discussion we realized it was something we needed to accelerate a lot, moving other work out of the way where needed to get started on it sooner.
Is it?
If someone says "I am mid I don't give a f**k" and you report, what will it do? As far as I can tell the only stuff that gets punished right now is whatever is on Riot's "no no words" list.
We do penalize for a range of behaviors, not just use of language other players find offensive in chat. Can understand the skepticism on that. Hopefully the changes to report notifications we're just rolling out at present will help give better visibility and understanding of what's actually being dealt with how.
Quick mention: Chat restriction as a form of punishment is extremely counter productive.
Chat restrictions aren't something we're looking at as a response to inting/afking. Removing chat when the problem is chat behavior makes sense. When the issue is in game actions though other approaches are needed.
Hey Meddler do you have an ETA patch on when champ select reporting is going live
As per the post late Q2's our best estimate at present, so sometime in June if I had to try and guess a more specific period.
Will there be extra measures taken to not false flag Janna players as afks?
So I know there's some trolling/joking about Janna play here. At the same time though it's true that detection needs to take context into account. Power farming jungle and not ganking? Sometimes appropriate for certain junglers, almost always inappropriate from a laner stealing everything from their jungler and not contributing. Being significantly behind everyone else on levels and spending a lot of time not farming? Can be perfectly normal for support play, warning flag for some solo laners though not all etc etc.
I just hope this lasts longer than 1 week and that they dont give up
Can understand the skepticism, given this has been a long running issue. The commitment to talking monthly is meant to help both give you folks ongoing visibility into what we're doing and give you an avenue to hold us accountable if progress isn't happening.
Abused how? Shouldn’t it only punish people that announce they‘ll troll ( and seriously, there are a lot of them ) in Champ select instead of those that pick unusual champs?
That's our intent certainly. The risk of incorrectly flagging people who aren't trolling is why we're starting with a data gathering phase and then, once we've got a large enough sample size and confidence we're distinguishing trolling from unusual behavior, turning on penalties a bit later.
Honestly, I think the improved report feedback is probably the most important change. Finally getting visibility on the impact of your reports is huge for the perception that the system actually do its job.
We think it'll be impactful yeah, though not enough by itself. The way I'm currently thinking about this issue is there are three elements that all need to be working well:
The improved notifications should help a lot with #3 there. As per the original post our next focus is on better detection.
I think one thing that could help is more "medium length" bans.
Why does the punishment system go from warning/chat restriction to 14 day ban? There should be medium length bans like 3 or 7 days that are used liberally. If you accidentally ban someone for 3 days then atleast it's of shorter length.
People don't care about chat restrictions and 14 day bans are actually super hard to get usually (for a good reason). Players not being able to play league because of their behavior is sometimes the best deterannt.
Edit: /u/purpleadlib pointed out a ranked ban would be a less severe type of medium ban, and I like that idea as well.
There needs to be at least something between chat restriction and 14 day ban that is used heavily.
That's a fair call out, will make sure it's one of the things we discuss again.
It would feel so incredibly shitty to be banned for 14 days because you started off having a bad game which snowballed into you dying 12 times because you were dove under tower every minute.
Be careful please!
Yep, that's the sort of thing that makes this tricky. It means we can't simply penalize off KDA in a single game for example, just doesn't give enough context. Incorporating a lot more sources of information (multiple games, when in the games deaths occurred, odd behavior like avoiding all teamfights/objectives, etc) should give better accuracy. Still leaves the question of what rate of incorrect penalties is appropriate though hence the interest in hearing people's thoughts on that. It's probably one of those things that also varies meaningfully by MMR, region and other contexts too.
Read moreIt’s not about people who are genuinely trying and having a bad game or series of games even. Sometimes someone gets absolutely crushed in lane and dies over and over again. That’s very different to a player deciding the game’s over and then spending their time trolling others instead of trying to win.
A lot of people tend to have trouble with this. Most people are quick to jump the gun for anyone going 0/1/0 that they're trolling (I've seen it on stream a lot too)
Streamers often get targeted for this sort of trolling due to their higher profile. It’s not an issue unique to streamers, though.
Though this honestly seems like they're trying to move past the conversation about how streamers have a part in this issue.
Short Term - Champ Select Reporting and Muting
Well finally this should hopefully help out people stuck in champ select. Though I worry it'll be super...
Streamers wise - definitely not trying to move conversation away from both how streamers get affected by trolling and trolling can be influenced by streamers. Did want to be clear though that we're interested in the wider impact, in addition to how high profile players get affected.
Hey Meddler, why is Ziggs the best champion in the game
I don't think he is objectively. Still one of my favourites though :)
I can't believe Riot thinks the Mecha Kingdoms battle pass was too generous. I got burned out playing LoL trying to optimize my pass and I still only got to 14/20 milestones. Never gonna buy again while those passes are so harsh.
Fair call out on milestones. Those were high in Mecha Kingdoms (20 points), even if other things were less demanding. We went back to the lower milestone mission demands for Galaxies (15 points) and don't plan on raising them again for upcoming events.
When will there be a TFT galaxy that stops me from rerolling 18 times for no apparent reason when I could have leveled up
I wish, I fall into that pit all the time myself with constant self justification about how I just need slightly more board presence then I'll save next round...
is battle academia going to come back this year or was that a one time skin line? i really liked it and i hope we can get more skins for it!
Probably is the strongest answer I can give you at the moment. It's a skinline that seemed to click with a fair number of players, though response wasn't quite as strong as things like Star Guardian or High Noon have been recently. Likely we bring it back at some point as a result, not confirmed yet though.
it's more of the precedent of not enjoying most VGUs so far, especially with juggernauts my favorite class, makes me very wary of this champion I main more than one I just play occasionally. Used to main Taric now I hate him, played swain for fun now I dont care for him, so on. To your credit though I think fiddlesticks was top notch and I'm coming to like mordekaiser more than I did on his relaunch.
I just dont like things changing, I guess
Fair. I personally feel Voli's changes are similar to Morde and Fiddles, in terms of same sort of playstyle with details different some modernization. Hope he still delivers what you're after from him.
Hope you're holding up well in these times.
1) Has the new balance framework made the LoL team more data driven than informed? I remember Riot emphasizing how important it is to be data informed rather than driven.
2) Thoughts on the current cadence of change for the game? Ever since the "no mid-season" changes stance, the game has seeing very little big overhauls that it is known for. Getting pretty stale.
Thank you. I don't like the whole working from home thing, but I certainly don't have any real cause to complain compared to what some people are dealing with. Hope you're doing well given the circumstances too.
1 - Data informed is still our stance. The new balance framework is certainly a shift though towards a position where we're much more confident building stronger rules using data because of how long League's been running and how clear it now is what unacceptable balance states look like.
2 - I think the current level of change is overall a good one. It's lower than I'd personally prefer as a player, and lower than some segments of the playerbase, particularly in regions like NA that are more change favoring than others, would like. On the other hand we're also not seeing the significant pain and upheaval that our previous rate of change created for a lot of other players. It's a reasonable compromise in my eyes as a result. I do think our preseasons could p...
Read moredespite what people think I think s10 is one of the more diverse metas we've had in a while. I'm pretty content with the game top lane, just wish kalista didn't counter me so hard lol
p.s cancel volibear vgu
Yeah, Kalista's been a long running challenge for us alas.
What don't you like about the Volibear VGU?
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