Old School Runescape

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02 Oct

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Originally posted by Wallbounce

Yes that makes a little more sense, thanks. Do you see where I'm coming from though? The accumulator one will save you millions of gp if you get to 99 range/mage. The infinite run one is very useful no doubt, but the 1/2 prayer drain is basically useless, and the 3rd relic with auto-burying bones and double ensouled heads is also next to useless since the highest tier prayer is mystic might, so getting above that isn't too helpful other than more prayer points, which again, don't really matter if you can flick properly.(obviously not counting raids prayers since they don't seem too obtainable for almost all players)

This leads us to a point where only 2 out of 3 of the starting relics will be "viable" and the worst thing that can happen will be a "meta" with the relics and everyone going the same build. Hope that makes sense, I just want this mode to succeed :)

I definitely see where your coming from. We have had many discussions in the office (where everyone knows all relics and tasks) of what relics and paths to pick. Everyone gives different answers and have their own ideas of what would be OP, which indicates we are reaching a good spot. Additionally, don't forget there's so much we need to balance and test before reaching our final numbers. The current relics should mainly give you an idea of what direction we want to go.

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Originally posted by Wallbounce

By the way, the starting relics are INSANELY imbalanced. The only one worth going is the accumulator one. The other ones aren't nearly as good.

Endless Endurance Your run energy drain-rate is reduced to 0 and your prayer drains at half the speed.

Unlimited run is nice, prayer draining at half the speed is basically irrelevant if you can one tick prayer flick.

Dark Altar Devotion Bones dropped by creatures are automatically buried and award 4 times the experience. Ensouled heads now drop two at a time.

This seems useful on paper, but you can't even get piety so literally going over 45 prayer is basically pointless if you can one tick prayer flick. I guess it could be useful for rigour+augury but those seem like they'll be unobtainable for 99.9% of players.

/u/jagexacorn /u/jagexhusky /u/jagexflippy

Ironically you made a comment about 30 minutes later saying oh nevermind going for endless endurance.

This discussion is what I love about the relics, the choices aren't as obvious as you may think and it depends on your playstyle. Also numbers are still very subject to balancing

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Originally posted by Mareks

They give everyone 15 agility, and you can train it with barbarian fishing. And i guess that's how you're supposed to get 99.

There are other ways to train agility without spoiling haha.

This whole discussion thread is amazing and every time someone has told me one relic is a nobrainer I can give an example why the others may be better.

I look forward to seeing the numbers for which ones people pick when it gets released

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Originally posted by TheHappyPittie

Is there no way to link accounts? Id be happy to put membership on a second account to use for leagues and have its points go to my iron. If it comes down to two months of no progress on my ironman or leagues I’ll not be playing leagues which is a shame because this sounds incredible.

That sounds much easier than it is for us to implement. Our systems cannot send stuff like that from one account to another without trading.

Also, what happens if you and your friend set up a link from his account to your account so that you get rewards for him? Now consider that it may not be your friend but instead someone who has been paid to play for you (or someone offering to provide that service)... It gets very very messy at that point.

Here's my response in a previous comment

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Originally posted by Jawn_SafeForWork

I apologize if it's been mentioned/asked already, and I understand with more points comes more rewards, but what can we expect as far as being able to obtain all of the rewards? Will it be a ratio of completing all the tasks to receive all of the rewards, or will there be room to wiggle when it comes to any leftover points, or vice versa not gaining enough points to collect all of the rewards, forcing you to choose between what you'd like to buy? As a casual in reality but a completionist by heart, I'd love to get all of the rewards, but understandably I fear that won't be the case, as people who have more time to put in more work must be rewarded accordingly.

As much as I'd love to answer this, I can't. We are still in production and balancing comes at a later stage, including this type of balancing. We want to award players who put insane amounts of time into the game mode, while not simply giving out participation trophies for the more casual players. We want both types of players to enjoy Leagues and feel rewarded for the effort, we will do our best to achieve this. I hope that makes sense.

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Originally posted by Wallbounce

Are those not the 3 starting relics? Or am I missing something?

Actually I thought about it over and the infinite run one might be very useful considering how big zeah is and the fact that you can't train agility IIRC? edit: nvm forgot about barb fishing lol.

but yeah, my point was, all of the relics that have to do with prayer aren't very relevant since any good player knows how to one tick flick. the accumulator one offers wayyy too much value compared to the other two.

Yes, those are the starting relics. What I'm saying is that you might change your mind when you see the dynamics between all the relics. You might want to see the bigger picture before forming a strategy. The tasks we haven't revealed also play an important role in this, as you might want to adapt your choice of relic to the harder tasks. Does that make sense?

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Originally posted by Talonris

same here, but with the ancestral recolour.... which supposedly costs even more than the slayer helm recolour

We'll be releasing the points for each reward as soon as we can so that people have a goal to work towards when they start if they only want to play to earn specific rewards.

Also, you can always save your points until the next league if you didn't quite make the cut this time so you don't have to lose a whole 2 months of progress

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Originally posted by ThatPoshDude

Biggest problem I foresee is people finding sneaky ways to escape the island. Sounds like a brilliant ltm idea though

I've spent a lot of my time on that problem. After lots and lots of hours of internal testing I can tell you that Zeah is secure and even if we missed something we have lots of measures to make it so leaving the island isn't even worthwhile.

Escaping Zeah is not a task, you won't get points for it :P

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Originally posted by Ardanaz

This looks incredibly fun and I can't wait to try this! I'm bummed out I can't play on the main game at the same time, but oh well. I want every single one of those rewards. They all look fantastic!

Same! Yes, sorry about that, wish we had an easier solution. Glad you are hyped for the rewards!

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Originally posted by The_One_Tin_Soldier

Very very excited for this!!

Me too!

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Originally posted by satan_scapes

This sounds really fun. I would be absolute shit at this game mode but wow it does sound fun

I imagine many players will feel lost in the beginning, and that's a part of the fun with Leagues! New rules, new challenges and new goals to achieve. Happy you're excited!

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Originally posted by Zyliana

Because they are tradeable. That ruins the whole point :/

I replied to this above, hopefully it makes sense

So we see this feedback a lot and here's my thoughts on it.

If it's untradeable then you only get them on your alt unless you pause all main-game progress which a lot of people won't like. Most people are going to like the rewards being tradeable so they can do this. Ironman accounts are hard done by this, there's no way around it though we don't have the tech to let you log in to more than one world at once.

Also, there are benefits to being tradeable. They will be rather expensive when the league ends and everyone gets them and people get to feel like they earned something which helps their main account progress.

And finally, we do want a way to show off your progress in the league, this is why the trophies are untradeable. Each league the logo will change so if you want that prestigious dragon trophy, better play and get it!

Hopefully this means the rewards have something for e...

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Originally posted by Wallbounce

By the way, the starting relics are INSANELY imbalanced. The only one worth going is the accumulator one. The other ones aren't nearly as good.

Endless Endurance Your run energy drain-rate is reduced to 0 and your prayer drains at half the speed.

Unlimited run is nice, prayer draining at half the speed is basically irrelevant if you can one tick prayer flick.

Dark Altar Devotion Bones dropped by creatures are automatically buried and award 4 times the experience. Ensouled heads now drop two at a time.

This seems useful on paper, but you can't even get piety so literally going over 45 prayer is basically pointless if you can one tick prayer flick. I guess it could be useful for rigour+augury but those seem like they'll be unobtainable for 99.9% of players.

/u/jagexacorn /u/jagexhusky /u/jagexflippy

How can you tell without knowing the 12 other relics?

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Originally posted by xRakurai

In your honest opinion is it possible to even max in that time period for the league if we are a casual player? (1~2 hours a day, would like to keep my job lol)

No. You cannot max if you only plat 1-2 hours a day...

AND THAT's FINE!

These are not a bucket list of tasks where you have to complete everything, instead these are a list of tasks which you can choose which ones to complete!

We want a huge range of tasks which are impossible for one person to complete all of them so that you always have another goal to work towards. Someone will surely max but that person may not have some of the other tasks complete. The goal with Master tasks is to award players for the absolutely insane long-term achievements.

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Originally posted by Beratho

When is this starting? I can't find a date.

We haven't released a date yet.

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Originally posted by Hailgod

how about registering an account to receive the rewards when you sign up for the league? only 1 alt account can be tied to each main.

make it require both accounts info + 2fa + bank pin to log in and link/tie for rewards. might discourage people buying service.

That sounds much easier than it is for us to implement. Our systems cannot send stuff like that from one account to another without trading.

Also, what happens if you and your friend set up a link from his account to your account so that you get rewards for him? Now consider that it may not be your friend but instead someone who has been paid to play for you (or someone offering to provide that service)... It gets very very messy at that point.

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Originally posted by Phantomonium

I feel that using percentages to give rewards will just make it annoying for casual players to get rewards.

Why not use point threshholds? Like 100 points for mithril 250 for adamant etc.

That way people can also stop when they have gained the rank they want without losing it to some people grinding the league at the last moment.

Most rewards are not based on percentages. Most rewards you get from flat point thresholds, by completing tasks.

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Originally posted by newquestidewa

okay so basically only realistic method to train runecrafting is to use 3rd party client to show where all the books are

great update again

You can ask the Librarian.

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Originally posted by Stone-J

"We want rewards to be accessible to all participants"

Task - 2277 Total Level

Yeah, that seems totally doable. Even at 3x exp, that's equal to maxing in 6 months.

You don't need to complete all tasks in order to access rewards. The more points you have, the more rewards you can buy.

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Originally posted by donprimo

Imagine maxing in leagues with only 3x xp. Nice task jagex.

Imagine not even considering the Twisted Relics. They have a large impact on the exp gains which will definitely affect how fast you can max.

Also as I've said above, 3x experience is a starting point for our balancing, that's why we didn't confirm in the blog