R0gueFool

You are right that there is a difference in the champion select rules, but the actual in-game rules are 100% the same.

The reality is, there isn't any disagreement about there being a limit on how long games should last. The details about what that time is are what is important. I think it is easy to agree that we don't want 1h or 30min games, so it is really about finding what that time is.

I don't think this will have much of an impact on shaping behavior or what champions are picked. Several people are talking about this being used as a stalling strategy, but others are saying it could hurt these stalling champions. We don't expect this to be something that has an impact on most players. A drastically small percentage of games even make it to this point, and those that do tend to be lower elo skewed. Looking at my own match history I don't have a single game where this would come into effect, and I suspect yours doesn't have any games either.

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What is your evidence for champions needing buffs and nerfs? It is very possible that these champions do need some adjustments (I haven't looked at their data recently). Historically Akali has been weak, but is highly frustrating for many players.

You should be at full build before 22 minutes, giving even our hard scaling champions plenty of time before this this even comes into effect.

As for this only being in normal, we don't want to have different rules for ranked/normals, and this comes from player feedback, where the majority of players play primarily, or exclusively ranked games.

We don't expect the meta to sh*t to stalling, however if it does then we can adjust this mechanic nothing is set in stone.

Endstep and I were talking about her the other day. The truth of it is that while many players on this subreddit say she is weak, she is actually doing fine. We would like to find a way to increase her satisfaction, but she doesn't actually need a buff.

Reddit can be a bit of an echo chamber, and many players over value the early game, where she is intended to be weak, but she is doing better than many popular champions.

Done! The team takes multiple things into account when making balance changes, and we don't actually look at the general winrate of a champion, but when looking at winrate data we make a point to only look at their winrate in different elo brackets. This helps us target buffs/nerfs to those elos. For example lower elo games tend to go longer, so buffing a champions 3rd ability rank ups tends to favor lower elo games. Where as higher skilled players are able to close out games sooner and base stats (like base AD or health) tend to be better targets if we need to buff a champion at higher level play.

This isn't a universal rule, and different champions and abilities all have their quirks, but I hope that sheads some light on how we come to the types of changes that we do.

Hey I wanted to give some context on this feature because there seems to be a bit of understandable confusion around the details.

This is a tertiary way for games to end, we still fully expect players to end the game using Baron, Elder Dragon, Split Pushing, and Team fights, etc, long before anyone's base starts to burn. This is just there to make sure that no game drags on for longer than it needs to.

Goals:

• Bring overly long games to a close.
  • Very few games ever make it even close to 22 minutes, but we want to make sure that no one feels trapped in a game just because a team won't end. Or exhausted after expecting to play a 15-20 minute game, which ends up taking half an hour.
• Comeback potential
  • While we want advantaged teams to end games, we also want to create space for comebacks in the situations where you managed to hang on by the skin of your teeth. We don't want or expect this to become a primary win con...

That is nice in theory, but it goes against some key aspects when designing content. Namely that you want to design with goals in mind that help guide your design. If we didn't try to push champions into their intended lanes then we wouldn't have things like minions/monster modifier on abilities, or even abilities like Pyke's passive that shares gold.

And we really don't like the idea of every champion being a powerful flex pick. There are times when we are ok with, or even encourage champions to branch out to other positions but it really depends on the champion, their design, and if we think that is healthy for the game and champion as a whole.

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I've seen success with both Pen tends to be really good vs squishy targets without a lot of armor. But both builds should do good work.

Because he was built to be a support, we have assassins for every other role. If he shares that space with them then it waters down his intended identity/purpose.

Despite many tier lists Kayle is doing fine at each elo. Tier lists are fine for judging a players perception, but they don't do a good job at looking at actual power or balance.

A good example we are seeing is pro play is Singed and Seedjar both being frequent picks when tier lists and the general player base thought both were garbage. Now obviously pro play isn't 1:1 with solo que, but our data shows that both are doing fine in solo que as well.

Every tier list is going to have someone at the bottom, that is the nature of lists. That doesn't mean that someone is in a terrible spot though, even if the list were an accurate representation of general power. There aren't any champions that I would say are in a super bad spot, as far as I am aware, and if you enjoy playing a champion you should keep playing them.

With all that said I'm not on the balance team, and was on vacation this last week, so I might be a little out of the loop.

It's a great office, lots of amazing people all working together to make some great games. Though depending on the day many of us still work from home, there are trade offs to both.

I would expect tank builds to still work fine, I played it a bit in our internal play tests (not on live yet). Every jungler will have Blue Buff, and have some item options to choose from.

As an aside Winter's Approach is the most looked over item in the game, I don't have data on Nautilus using it in the jungle... But our data shows it's a far better item than people give it credit for, it might be worth checking out here if you are worried about mana.

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That is always an option, we will see how he performs and go from there. I wasn't on Pyke's release, but whenever a champion is launching the team plans some possible adjustments depending on how they are performing. So the right people already have some idea of what they might want to do, depending on how his release looks.

The item was doing fine and didn't really need a buff, but both items matching is a good consistency win. Really more of him trolling me than fighting me on it.

Lol thanks, I kept telling him that both it and Grudge should be at the same %, and he kept threatening to put them both at 0%. In the end Rylai got the buff, but at what cost!!!

I'm unsure about PCs current landscape. Though he has had a bit of a history of playing there too. That said I don't think the LoLPC team loves Pyke mid either. As for Wild Rift Pyke has been out for a few hours, you're going to see him in every role players can play him, that doesn't mean he is viable in all of them. There is always the chance we made a mistake, but if he is equally viable in mid as he is as a support you can expect us to make adjustments.

Ya it is possible we see something similar happen though we have also made adjustments to Pyke before his release. We do evaluate and change champions when we bring them to Wild Rift. We did a lot of work to tweak Pyke for this reason and have plans to adjust him further if needed.

We want to reduce the duration of long windowed effects like this. Wild Rift is much faster paced than PC so it doesn't make sense to be able to get a reset in one fight and carry it into another area of the map.

We have plans to take a similar pass at other long duration effects on other champions.