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Originally posted by G0ldenfruit

True, but historically riot has never has stuff worked out by the end of preseason. Whether its new dragons being slightly off -> cloud soul change, or changes that make champions too strong e.g the year Leblanc+a few others needed a nerf all the way through feb(cant remember year sorry).

This is potentially the biggest change the game has ever seen that affects balance, and while the balance team have been improving a lot, I would be very impressed if they had it even close to balanced by S11. I would expect more of an akali treatment where items are being tweaked and mechanics removed throughout the year.

Originally posted by bz6

Right cool. I’m trying to use EVERY channel available to relay feedback. I am a bit worried tbh. Especially when it comes to changes that have dumbed down the game per say. I don’t think I will be able to participate in pre-season this year, as I am not keen on playing one shot URF.

Best of luck 🤞🏻 and have a good weekend boss.

Originally posted by bz6

Do you think this overhaul will increase or decrease build diversity?

Originally posted by G0ldenfruit

I wonder how long riot have been already balancing the items and how long until they are in a normal state. The past couple years has been some of the best balance in terms of champ diversity(decresing recently since summer). It feels like a nightmare for their team thrown at them by the game designers

Originally posted by alexclow

There's currently a bunch of items that do this on the PBE...hopefully they fix em to not lose stats as that feels kinda bad

Originally posted by The-F-Key

It's quite possible that the reason is it's that I'm just really bad at the game.

Maybe I'll have more success once things are live and a few balance passes are made.

Originally posted by The-F-Key

Please, I'm desperate to be able to play tanks and not go pop.

Tell our buddy working on them we want to not die, not deal more damage.

Originally posted by rygoon37

i'm still apprehensive about this, especially as a player who likes practicing kiting in practice tool and feels good when my practice pays off in game (winning scuttle fights because of higher hp etc). it seems this change is trying to basically take that advantage that was earned by practice away. another reason for my apprehension is due to niche picks such as twitch jungle that basically rely 100% on kiting to clear with any semblance of healthiness, that will probably be forgotten about when tuning comes with the changes.

i guess i won't really know how it pans out until i play it in PBE/prepatch, but i just think you guys are going about this the wrong way when it comes to making jungling more approachable. as you say, it's the macro that mainly makes the jungle hard, and imo, there is no way to make that more approachable, so doing this simply harms the junglers who can already cope with the macro required for the role, and enjoy refining the micro aspects as a bonus...

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Originally posted by rygoon37

why are you making it so that kiting camps isn't as effective in season 11? is it to help newer players to the role? if so, i don't think that will help the issue of jungle being so unpopular. it's unpopular because you are responsible for the whole team, and if you mess up it affects everyone, not just your enemy laner. it suffers the same issue as tanking in an mmo, and I don't think it's solved by making it easier.

if that isn't the reason, why are you doing it? it just seems to lower the skillcap of something people liked to refine, and could wildly change the viability of some champions, especially niche picks such as twitch jungle, that rely heavily upon good kiting.

Originally posted by Jragon713

Ah, maybe it's time to finally give up on Conqueror... at least Axamuk's brings back the old true damage conversion.

Thanks for being so responsive!

Originally posted by Alarie51

I will admit i havent been keeping up due to work overload but i saw the kiting changes when they were announced and it worries me in general (i think its a bad and unnecessary change) but in particular for junglers that rely on kiting to be able to clear in a healthy state (lillia, taliyah and evelynn come to mind). In case those particular cases havent been addressed yet, is that something on your radar or something you're planning on fixing? Or does the whole camp changelist make it a non issue and im worried for no reason?

Originally posted by Jragon713

I do enjoy watching pros pop off on it, and personally I'm doing quite fine down at my very-much-not-pro level, so at worst, I'd honestly even be okay with his jungle-ability remaining the same as it currently is. But I'm worried that the new kiting changes and health-per-burn turning into omnivamp will actually make his initial clear(s) even worse, so I figured I'd see what you guys thought!

Maybe we could get a tiny buff to his passive, for consistency?

"Damage to secondary targets executes minions below 25 health." -> "Damage to secondary targets executes minions and monsters below 25 health."

Originally posted by Jragon713

I'm specifically working on the Jungle in preseason so if you have any feedback for that please do let me know!

Does that include jungle-oriented champion changes? I know you guys for some reason have shifted away from Sylas' intended roles being mid/jg to now being mid/top, but I'm not asking for him to be a meta jungler, I just don't love that his jg winrate is ~4% lower than his mid/top winrates.

Originally posted by bz6

no additional feedback just because practice tool is down.

still want to reiterate though:

1) the healing within the jungle makes it feels WAY less dangerous, and that's boring.

2) make invading great again.

3) there is also something about different camps having different mechanics that added some sauce to the jungle (smite buffs). recent example is the removal of gromp double crit on first 2 hits, like that gives some personality and doesnt make the jungle bland.

Originally posted by Erthad

Tank items continue to be trash.

There are only 2 non mythic magic resist items for tanks since Force of Nature was removed.

Frozen Heart is the only source of mana

The Mythics all have split resists again.

Originally posted by FlyingLotus_Beats

And look, Rioters here memeing when the game is one spark away from a Californian wildfire. Not one update on preseason items in over a week, not to mention all the Seraphine criticism that they are willingly turning a blind eye to. Closed the boards because they can't take actual criticism but will happily be paid six figures to meme on reddit with the hivemind.

Originally posted by Riot_Blizz

You really have no idea who August is do you? He’s by far the most acclaimed designer, creating unique actionable ideas without the certainlyT touch of unbalancable, and by far the best champ designer at riot, jinx gnar jhin and many others are examples of top tier design and fantasy fulfillment beyond their years while maintaining peak balance.

Originally posted by bz6

Fair. I am not a big fan of ominvamp. I feel it streamlines decision making. But I might be wrong.

On a positive note though boss, I like the fact the jg item disappears but I just feel over the years with timers and shit the role is just a shadow of its former self. Make invading great again