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I'm having a great time. It's cool figuring out builds and getting to try out stuff that other people haven't caught onto yet.

I know at least one designer was looking into him. I forget what happened and why there aren't any changes at this time.

FWIW people are building him wrong. Not that he's outstanding or anything, but Divine Sunderer is incorrect. Trinity Force and Galeforce both seem to heavily outperform it.

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Stellar recounting, thanks for the rundown! I had forgotten about the Zed comic and gave it a read once I got to that part in the post. Poor misunderstood Govos.

Ye you prob right. We didn't swing at many of the tanks (except Amumu, that guy was wack) because we planned to iterate a few times on tanks. That said, we will be wack-a-mole-ing properly now that pre-season is coming to a close and items are getting more stable. The fact that only a few champions are outliers like this means we are getting close to a (relatively) balanced game!

It's interesting because instead of giving you more item damage procs like the old one (you could proc it 3+ times vs one target), it instead gives you more passive procs through more stealth in multi-target engagements. Hard to tell which is more helpful, but considering Kha is the only Lethality champion still out of line, it's likely its a him problem and not an item problem.

I'm guessing this is because they've been going after his items.

AP Malphite, for example, seems to be pretty balanced. His most purchased AP mythic in Luden's is ~51% win rate. Considering the last three patches chain-nerfed tank items, it makes sense that they tried to hold off on nerfing him specifically while hitting items that needed it.

That said, Malphite is still broken and should be nerfed.

Big agree with this guy's/gal's points. Kha'Zix is obviously an abuse case cause stealth has special synergy, it's likely we will need to tune Kha to accommodate before season starts.

But from my perspective we haven't really done a major shift in our direction. these points about goredrinker or yone building 2 lifesteal items and ravenous hunter are all just tuning points. Yeah I happily concede that the game is in a worse tuning state now than it was this summer. That'll just take some time to work out. With so many items, yone building 2 lifesteal items should be paying a price in other ways with other items he isn't building - and if thats not the case it'll get adjusted.

Similarly, Mundo and Raka are definitely down quite a bit right now - that's fine we can buff their healing

And if we need something in addition to GW, or it needs more buffs, we can work on that too later.

This isn't any different than normal balance work, so I don't expect us to announce it beyond actual projected work.

There's a few reasons.

1. It has lower amount of power budget in AP relative to the gold spent (which also affects its multiplicative value with deathcap). This also makes it better on champions who have higher AP ratios compared to base damages.

2. The 2 item spike is weaker than the alternative (consider Void + Amp Tome vs Horizon Focus on Syndra/Lissandra for example).

3. Against a team of squishy champions that you can burst out and aren't buying MR, the Horizon Focus -> Deathcap angle is going to be better than the Void -> Deathcap angle, just due to the multiplicative effect on the AP from Horizon.

I'm not going to say that Void 2nd isn't a good choice sometimes (because it is a reasonable choice in many games, esp when they have a lot of melees who are building things like Merc Treads or early MR).

Having said all this, I would prefer if Void had higher %Pen compared to the AP to make the choice even mor...

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yeah for sure its a natural consequence of the power imbalance between a dev and any individual player. but its not always a productive course of action. sometimes you just gotta eat the cost a bit (both devs and players). id say a good baseline is not assuming the people who chose to spend most of their waking hours thinking about league are also out to destroy league with lies and doublespeak. (its mostly the lie accusation from the prior post that ruffled my jimmies here)

even simple gates like ccing enemies or hitting them when they are below half hp is a hoop to jump through that restricts efficiency some of the times. especially at 2 second GW duration

Bit late here so this might get buried unfortunately

Theres a few issues with this I want to clarify

The original post I responded to was a straight accusation that we lied. That's ridiculous, when we talk about these things months in advance we always state that anything is subject to change pending further development. Perhaps we didn't communicate well enough here, or didn't think we needed to. But we gain nothing from lying, so random inflammatory post accusing us of such is kinda absurd.

This post runs in a similar vein but a bit less inflammatory. it still reads as a broad "You should be enraged now reddit!" alert that totally misrepresents the quote is referencing. In that quote, I state that our goal is not to reduce healing period, but to expand on the ways you can play around healing - including making GW stronger and more accessible to all champions. For example, Ignite is 60% GW instead of 50% now. This is a clarification that - hey we aren't rem...

There are several champions that are strong with Horizon Focus. For example:

Ahri, Annie: Situational if you are snowballing and going for burst build.

Lux, Neeko, Lissandra, Syndra, Ori: Mages that can trigger either the Immobilize condition or the range condition easily.

Velkoz, Xerath, Ziggs, Zoe: Poke champs that can trigger the ranged condition easily.

Untested:

Seraphine: I think it's good on her due to E and R, but it might not be better than Mythic -> Rylais/Cosmic Drive -> Rylais/Cosmic Drive since she is very good with Ability Haste and the Rylais for E synergy.

Taliyah: I think this item is pretty underrated on Taliyah. It is quite easy for her to trigger the max range condition.

TF: If you are snowballing and don't want to go Zhonyas or RFC 3rd after Lich Bane, Horizon could be a good option.

I would be very skeptical of saying orianna builds are solved when it took 2 years for players to figure out that you could build a first item other than ludens echo on her.

Like I said earlier, there are some Burst oriented builds that include items such as Horizon Focus (that some players like chovy are starting to dabble with), so I would disagree that she only got one new item. I do think there's room for improvement in the balance state, but I don't agree that it's as bad as you make it out to be.

Do you have any evidence of this (orianna specifically) or is it just your personal experience? In pro and high Elo games we see a mix of ludens vs liandries and also a variety of second, third items. I also think some items on her are sleeper like cosmic drive and horizon focus.

You absolute madman

This would tilt me off the face of the Earth.

The interesting part about ADC is that it is the most high-elo skewed role, as "just surviving" and farming at high cs/min then consistently teamfighting is very difficult. The problem typically with the marksman role specifically is that if it feels "good" at low/middle elo, I personally expect pros (like perkz) to find it to be OP, as that is where their role is most important vs SoloQ. As an ADC main I always have to weigh the "I want agency!" vs "I know this role is much better than it feels".