so you dont think these bounds hinder the creativity when it comes to actual balance levers? it wont pigeon hold you to making changes that will shift the %'s into the desired range of the framework?
they absolutely do, but we've agreed that this restriction feels more like being responsible your sh*t doesn't break the game (power wise)
Read moreI hope so. Else the game and balancing overall would become boring.
But why do you try to force Shen and Cait into the competitive meta? Cait is pretty boring to watch and we all know how unfun it is when she is so supressive early on. Why not targets Caits weaker mid game phase? And like 90% of ADCs are more interesting than Cait without having her problems. Even Twitch would be a better target for buffs if you want to shake up the meta.
And for Shen even a 60-120 HP shield would likely get him into competitive.
I have nothing against making champs strong for some time, as long as it doesn't make them OP immediatly. Cait will likely break the framework with these buffs. Shen also possible.
And why is Karthus not on the nerf list yet in Dia2+ he has a 55+% WR and 25+% BR with a decent sample size?
Are you giving him 2 more weeks to be OP before cutting him? I can see why sometimes nerfs due to the framework are delayed as it makes sense for c...
D2+ tends to suffer from sample size making winrates low confidence, so we like to give it more time to gain confidence
Yes, but the idea is to make it easier, center of the screen its much more natural then the corner over the minimap or side of the screen (which is even worse) and would make it easier to simply click on the ally portrait you want to ult, making it easier for the average shen, thus becoming the in between before the current preferred method of pro shen players to regularly cycle between allies using the "center to x ally" buttons to be prepared to ult where you know there will be a fight.
My full idea would be for it to show their circle portrait in a blinking red when they lost a big chunk of hp very fast (like 40%). The UI would only appear when ult is up and not taking dmg in a while.
I do realize the more differences from the original it has, the more time and effort it would take to add those technologies and the less likely is to be made cause of the cost opportunity, but I thought to give it a try.
its unlikely we would do something like this . its a core test of league that you have map awareness, and even more so on shen.
I could see us pursuing design changes in this theme (make it easier for shen to know when to ult) if we felt he was very harshly pro/elite bound (unplayable for everyone else), but hes not that
Read moreJust like you include the pick rate for nerfing, it should also be used as a buff metric. Right now, you determine buffs in iron-diamond III based on win rate exclusively (<49.5%). However, Dr. Mundo has 1.28% pick rate in SoloQ with 49.5% win rate, so he doesn't meet the criteria for getting buffed. This is so wrong because not only is he picked <7.5% in diamond II-pro, he's had ~0% pick rate in this elo range, meaning that he's far and beyond unviable (useless) in the highest levels of play.
In other words, if he had higher pick rate, he'd most definitely have lower win rate (much lower than 49%), which means that he is deserving of buffs (QoL changes). Therefore you need to include pick rate in amateur play too, for example, if a champion has <2% pick rate.
Not including iron-diamond III pick rate as a buff metric is ridiculous, champs can maintain 50% win rate with 0.01% pick rate, that doesn't mean they are perfectly fine.
TL;DR: Pick rate, even in aver...
you are assuming players to be picking purely for power and that power is not represented in winrate. i would heavily contest both of these. I think you've missed the understanding that players pick for fun, not power, and player perception of power is often actually a perception of frustration.
While logical, does this not sound like you are forcing a meta? You're litterally trying to choose champions to place into viable champion pools.
yeah we do a lot of meta curating, mostly targetted towards pro, and mostly around worlds/msi
Is that the same reason the ball size was reduced? In the beginning of the video with the old vs new, the new Ahri ball seems a lot smaller, but it increases in size when she throws out her Q.
Yup!
In case that Sirhaian came by, is there a reason to reduce the bright of the orb?
Btw the whole update is pretty nuts, especially the E change, that some quality of life update that also looks f**king amazing. And the dances man, Thank You!
Yup! It just attracted too much attention for an idle effect.
Read moreYes, she's the fox that leads Yone (or whoever that is) through the afterlife.
Edit: I think /u/TyKindred is right in that this video is actually a continuation of the Ionian legend in Perennial:
Long ago, the world was perfectly balanced. It was as an enormous tree full of life, with each branch, each leaf, each bloom carefully and thoughtfully positioned so that the sun and rain could nourish them all. The people, the animals, and the spirits were at peace. There was no word for “war” because there had never been battles or bloodshed.
One day, the Gatekeeper and the Collector crossed paths. The Collector saw how many spirits the Gatekeeper had led through the spirit realm to peace and happiness, and he grew jealous of her—
The Collector grew envious of all the spirits that the Gatekeeper had helped find peace, and so he ...
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Right. I’m kind of disappointed. As I remember Riot has always had the stance of being data informed rather than driven. It yields a more ‘elegant’ approach to design / balance.
I get LoL is old and has developed clear boundaries that define what is broken or not but in return this is going to make the game just feel more rigid don’t you think? No flare, no creativity, no surprises.
not sure i agree, basically all the champs are within the bounds at the moment (most patches include one or two oracle balance changes, and the rest are all other stuff). ie, go play some ap nunu, someone just made it quite good.
if anything, being able to tell at a glance if a champion is numerically too strong or weak has freed up a LOT of time for doing other stuff.
So basically you do what you want
All these fancy frameworks are just for show
no, they stop us from going out of bounds. within the bounds, we do what we want
though if you're trying to be pedantic, we also make the framework so yes, we do what we want
the question that is actually relevant is "what do we want"
Could you add to his ult the neeko ui but it would show instead the ally % hp?
you can see ally health over the minimap (or on the side of the screen depending on your settings)
Does that mean yall are still data informed? Because that’s what makes a healthy game imo
we have committed to some hard restrictions that are data driven. but long as we don't run afoul of those restrictions, then we are data informed
Sticky this thread. In a few weeks we are going to be reading another one of these:
Guardian is overperforming after its recent buffs to consistency. Bringing the base shield value down back to before it was buffed.
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Our snaky lady didn't lose quite as much as we'd have liked last patch, so we're walking (slithering?) back some changes.
possibly. the advantages of patching every 2 weeks, eh?
Makes sense, I just figure he'd quickly cross the OP thresholds and require nerfs again, but maybe I'm overestimating the impact
Shen is ~50% so he's got space. we wanted to get another tank into pro thats not just ornn forever and shen was chosen as an ideal candidate. Shen is usually considered a high elo/pro pick due to coordination requirements, and he fits into a different comp style than ornn. Ornn wants to teamfight and force engages with his ult mid game, shen wants to split push, so playstyles around them are quite opposite.
What prevent Graves to be nerfed after months of OPness ?
hes over any thresholds
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