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If you've mastered the first 4 levels you should be able to get quite a bit more xp/hr than rooftops if you are not looting coffins.

Looting coffins then it should balance out but that's kind of the point of the content, you can sacrifice Xp/Hr for loot

Are you quoting those rates while also looting the coffins? Because then you're probably also making more money than rooftops while still getting 2k more xp/hr.

If you ignored the coffins you'd be able to get significantly more than rooftops

Your math is slightly off because most floors grant agility xp for jumping the final platform and for hopping down the stairs (around 75 xp per floor)

Before the update you should were actually pretty consistently able to beat the rates of Ardougne if you didn't loot. I first and foremost wanted to reduce that and it's only bout about 5%

If it's too weak with loot I may what I could do to lower the gap between the two but I did also make a lot of changes to traps specifically the final bolt trap on floor 3 which should make you fail less often!

They should be the exact same height as the old ones, so no changes. They're also the same height the statue fired them from

"Most players getting 75k xp/hr". Are you talking about looting chests or just running straight for XP?

From what I can tell if you were getting 75k xp/hr before you'd now be getting 69.5k which is still better than rooftops.

At the very least I know people were consistently able to pull off 75k xp/hr at least while looting all 3 chests and that felt like just a bit too much from my experience.

The purpose of the recolour that I wanted a reward which people could work towards if they enjoyed the content and would cost a lot of marks for them to work towards, since it was optional a pet recolour really did fit the bill. I don't have any plans to reduce the price on it but the marks/hr should still be slightly increased from this update since looting 2 chests on floor 4 is much more reasonable.

As for the tools, i agree they are a bit underwhelming but I'm not sure if I want to make not using them worse? Will consider it, had a lot of changes I wanted to prioritise this week :)

No problem! I'm glad you're enjoying it and I never take critique harshly as long as people aren't just being rude for the sake of being rude haha

Comment about how slightly it is here https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/h7h7sc/darkmeyer_improvements/fukyeuh/

The xp-rates are still much higher than rooftops, if you do the maths what you were previously getting has only been nerfed by around 5% which isn't a lot of xp/hr.

We'll continue to monitor the content and make further adjustments as we see fit.

Emphasis on the word slightly

We made it so you can loot 3 chests on floor 5 and I basically doubled the marks from the grand coffin all on the first day. Now we're giving another chest on floor 4 the content is already higher marks/hr than I originally balanced.

In reality it's gone from 3-8 on floor 5 (average of 5.5 marks) to 4-6 (average of 5) and 8-11 from grand chest down to 8-10. These are very small changes. All in all it's around 2 less marks per run than you were seeing previously (5-8 runs/hr depending on skill makes that 10-16 less per hour) but instead you now have another chest you can loot which yields on average 4.5 marks/run so it should still be more marks/hr than before if you're full looting.

For full disclosure here are what the marks have changed to:

Floor 2 : From 1-3 (2 average) to 2-3 (2.5 average)

Floor 3 : From 2-4 (3 average) to 3-5 (4 average)

Floor 4 : From 3-7 (5 averag...

This should only really have an impact on players doing floors 4 and 5 however floor 3 was still slightly overtuned.

Overall it's around a 7% xp/hr nerf at the top end and only around 3% xp at the lower end.

Bare in mind we made a host of other changes to the content which should also have an impact on making some things slightly easier to compensate.

Remember this is just week 1 feedback. I'll continue to keep an eye on the content over the coming weeks and continue to make changes until I feel like it's in the right place

Nope, it's only applications are coffins in the Hallowed Sepulchre and it's main feature to skip doors at barrows.

Nope!

Thanks for the feedback! Here's my thoughts on the points.

1) I don't actually mind this too much, when running through it for hours as a training method all that matters is the average time for each floor and this is only really a hindrance for speedrunners.

1.5) Again, only really an issue for speedrunners, the average result for everyone else should be fairly consistent over any given hour

2) Yeah, I agree and I intend to fix those but I don't believe I'll get that fixed this week as I've had other things to prioritise such as bolt sizes, "scuffed flames" etc.

3) I actually reviewed some of those today and some of them do feel very random in the distance, I fixed some of them so that they at least aren't so swingy. I don't think it's a huge issue though because that also means teleporting back can be not as much of a set back and the real reason to take teleports since the hotfix is the temporary immunity.

4) I agree, I think we were maybe...

For myself I believe there's no better way to test the content you've created than playing it yourself.

I'd likely run floors 1-3 as you said but more like for 20-30 minutes until xp-rates have been stabilized.

Edit: Also I should also add that in cases where my mechanical skill is worse than the top players (often is) I can use spreadsheets to extrapolate what the xp/hr would be for specific time thresholds which I cannot beat

No offense taken, I said considering but perhaps musing was a better word for it.

I have no clue where floors 1,2,3 sit at currently (until your post) and I planned to test both looting and not looting for myself before going ahead with the consideration or not.

I swear you keep spinning words which I have said to be promises, or at least that's how I'm interpreting it, if I'm wrong then apologies. I haven't said that I am going to take XP from floor 5 and add it to previous floors I'm pretty sure I said something to the extent of

"I'm considering reviewing all of the xp/hr for all floors, perhaps buffing earlier floors but I'd have to test what the xp-rates are first since I don't know how they've changed since the hotfix"

Yeah it's definitely bugged. I believe I know what the cause was and I'm hoping to fix it for this weeks update if I have time

I never mentioned it would be balanced at around 75k/hr.

I stated that I was able to get 75k/hr during testing (pre-hotfix xp-rates) and that I expected players to get higher. I'd be ok with it capping out somewhere around 80-85k but I also have to make sure that the players consistently looting all chests also feel like they are being adequately rewarded.

I'll be making small adjustments until it 'feels right' I know that's vague but when I quote numbers players like to throw those numbers back in your face.

Also the goal of the change was mostly to buff lower floors marginally while making it a static amount of XP for floor completion but naturally providing small buffs to 1,2,3,4 also meant that floor 5 got a larger than intended buff due to people running floor 5 getting the increased XP for all floors

While floor 5 is overtuned I would agree that 3 at least seems slightly undertuned but I haven't had extensive testing on that floor since the hotfixed rates.

I intend to review all of the xp-rates and mark-rates this week once I've fixed 'scuffed flames' and the bolts