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It's hard to judge because the current abilities weren't designed around it -> if we move forward with it we'd need to rework a fair number of their basic abilities to be more unique as in a simplified view right now they're 'just' damage.

Now that we've got some feedback on the system we're happy to pull it back out (and if we want to move forward with it: iterate on it and improve melee's basics to be more interesting alongside basic attacks (and make basic attacks more interesting))

We don't want to just leave it in half-baked as it'll warp other feedback

EDIT: just seen Ryan responded -> apologies for spam

Yeah pretty much

Have you heard about the mining and smithing rework Necromancy?

Yes potentially at some point - I am weary of creating more meaningless invention switches through the new effect, and would be interested to see what you all think (if it's a problem / potential solutions)

Your comment about champions ring I just consider a design fail on my part -> I don't think I should've made a crit ring that's reliant on bleeds, with bleeds being anti-synergistic with crit. (really should've been a more generic crit ring, then an additional bleed ring that has nothing to do with crit, separately)

And it can/will still exist but in a way that's available for those who want it and not forced on those who don't.
I agree with the fundamental issues players were having with the old perk of "I've spent X amount to perk out my weapon, and the new effect is anti-synergizing with my gameplay, so I don't want it forced on me"

I can't say yes because there's nothing in the works right now. But I do think we should consider the perk system in general for a potential overhaul

Hello friends, the feedback around equilibrium is loud and clear (primary issue being you don't want to have to mess around with the current perks you've set up)

I've drafted up a simpler effect to replace equilibrium.Some of you might be wondering why any change to equilibrium needs to happen, so a quick TLDR:

• On the beta we've squished damage numbers this directly affects how effective equilibrium is (pre-beta equilibrium can increase damage on an ability anywhere from ~1% up to ~2.5% per rank) Post damage squish this is closer to 0.2% per rank (Essentially making equilibrium much worse). So essentially we wanted to trial some new effects because the old one doesn't really work with shorter damage ranges.

Now the new-new effect: (WIP title : Deadly)I've drafted something up to replace equilibrium (again) this time a generic damage boost effect as for all intents and purposes that's what the old equilibrium did.

• New effect : You g...

Right now this is kinda synergistic with lunging as is (as bleeds already can't crit, you're just gaining the benefits if you threw lunging+equi on a MWSOA as an example)

I don't personally see you needing multiple sets of the same gear - it becomes an option to have multiple different magic sets of the same tier sure (but not the exact same gear)

E.g. 'Im using fsoa so i want the crit armor with the crit perks etc'
I'm now using X t95 that isn't crit synergistic so i'll use the non crit armor with non crit perks etc.

I agree, and i'd like to see / rework more perks to be usable

Stated elsewhere but FWIW purely just a beta test and happy to change again, I think the effects are interesting enough to go elsewhere to promote gear/perk diversity as we noted critscape getting even more prominent in the beta with no real other options.

Stated elsewhere but worth saying this is just a test for an effect.

We wanna look at perk diversity in general so you're not always just running the same setup.

If this effect went through there are solutions like letting you remove the equillibrium portion from a gizmo etc.

But yeah once again just a test, on the beta - Equilibrium needed some niche since it died due to damage squishing so we thought we'd try something that lets players not prioritize crit boost.

Hey if you could elaborate it'd be handy! (just a beta test change so not guaranteed to stick)

sorry!

Oh lord, what a gent.

Add some angry eyebrows and we can keep em as a slayer mob though.

Good shout, i'll make a note for that

Hey thanks for the feedback!

Personally i dont like stacks playstyle cause it can be backloaded and with cane removal this will impact melee burst cause bleeded assault, hurricane , overpower and dclaws are the only burst abilities for melee.

Fair feedback, if you don't like stacks, you don't like, that's perfectly reasonable
I would however recommend giving the set a try as current, it's worth noting its much less intensive than e.g. boltg tracking, as the special is intended to be a free bonus on other effects - for arguments sake the spec could just be hurricane cost/damage, keeping all the other effects but removing the concept of the stack.

I think making cane 2h only ability will promote more switching which is a major issue with melee

I don't personally think the solution to this is to have a way to bypass it with a very specific item, as it retains the problem for everyone not usi...

Hey thats me!

Something worth reiterating is the stuff above is very whip and open to change. The thing to bare in mind is it's way easier for us to tweak / balance once y'all have something tangible in front of you. (If you don't like stacks we can change stacks, if you don't like X we can change X) It's much easier than putting out a bunch of hypothetical proposals.

Anything is up for grabs really (E.g. does the spec need an adrenaline cost and instead have a stack count could it do Y instead of X)

I've removed the cane/destroy crossover for the time being to see if we can get the same feeling as the old cane whilst reducing 2h and dw feeling blended into one / to let us do more playstyle specific stuff with destroy/cane.

Happy to chat over anything else if there's specific questions

I liked this idea. So I did it: https://twitter.com/JagexSponge/status/1721485286226489383

Good suggestion

So because of how grico previously scaled it actually gained less benefit from the stat boost than you'd expect. That being said I'd be fine giving it a couple % boost if it's generally felt necessary