Jagex_Stu

The tricky part with 9 hp accounts is once you level your hp, we have no way of knowing that you previously had lower than the current minimum Constitution XP. The evidence has been erased, so to speak, by you now being 10 hp +.

From what I've been given to understand, 9 hp accounts were created in the transition from Classic to RS2 on 8th March 2004. That's the only point of reference we have is your account is now over-levelled.

So how I've handled it is that *if your account creation is earlier than 8th March 2004, resetting your Constitution sets it to 1,000.0 XP*, instead of the usual minimum of 1,154 XP. (Applies to both the major Constitution & Prayer reset and minor Constitution reset.)

Resetting Constitution consequently may create 9 hp accounts that weren't active for that transition, or if your account is newer than that and somehow got 9 hp through some other event, then you'd be reset to 10 hp.

I'd be happy to tweak the logic further if ...

I did the dev work for this two Christmases ago, and my memory isn't the best, but if I remember rightly the requirement will be expressed in the combat section of the quest overview, when describing the spells you need to be able to cast on Chronozon. Might've also been in the required items listing the needed runes and magic weapon.

Depends. What would you like to do to your 9 hp account?

That's too high for a minor Constitution reset, but you might be eligible for Nastroth's major Constitution & Prayer reset? https://runescape.wiki/w/Nastroth#Constitution_and_Prayer_reset

If you've previously used a major reset, they'll be available one more time, for a little under 6 months, to let previously reset pures use the new features.

Yep, can confirm this is legit.

I took the liberty of sharing the patch notes for my passion project early once the release build was signed off, so pures have the weekend to prepare in case that's needed for their personal strategy or to bring a ruined account out of retirement, and to clarify what I ultimately implemented after many months of discussion.

Thank you for posting this to Reddit too to save me the trouble!

Also, shout-out to:

• Tranquil who created and has administered the RS3 XP Discussion discord for this project, managing the negotiation of this design since March 2021 (after my early attempts to collaboratively agree on a design via Reddit threads became unmanageably chaotic)

• All the players who contributed to finding creative solutions to a complex variety of uniquely personal playstyles. In particular big thanks to Marty/jannamechanics and WillMissIt

• Zatox/Failed who reached out to me to get ...

Mod Stu

Mod Spear started trying to fix it, and I told him it was working as intended.

Getting fixes into the game is a production line process. It passes through multiple hands to get into the live game - reproducing the issue and documenting the repro steps, the development to fix the bug, peer review of the code to verify the fix, QA testing to verify it functions as intended, catch edge cases, and re-coding to account for found issues, localisation to translate any text into German, French and Brazilian-Portuguese, scheduling, upload management, re-testing of the release build by the Release Candidate QA testing team, editorial of the patch notes.

We make game jams available to all staff involved in that process to flex different creative skills, and therefore the release process shuts down for the week of game jam so the release team can also contribute to game jam projects.

If I chose to not participate in last week's game jam and instead use that time to fix live bugs, they still wouldn't have released this week, because the production line was...

Quests you can reset to replay (Dimension of Disaster, Gower Quest, perhaps Sliske's Endgame, etc) certainly seem like likely candidates.

Yeah, the aim would be to try and maintain milestone current rewards from quest completion. (Slayer slots are displayed as milestone rewards in the quest point shop, so in my view it falls under a similar concern as yuei2's QPS queries above.)

Obviously depending on the needs of combat/skilling/balancing councils. Eg it may be desirable to design it in such a way we don't create the expectation of additional block slots.

Yep. The dropdown box at the top of the quest list has an option to sort by quest series, among various other sorting options. :)

Yeah, it was touch and go throughout Succession development whether the civil war miniquests (which weren't on the schedule when setting up the quest) would require each other or if the infernal puzzle box would require them. (Originally the puzzle box supported completing the season content in any order, then later in the season it was decided to make everything linearly require the previous thing.) The one certainty was the finale quest would require all the releases earlier in the Legacy of Zamorak season. So kept that in to cover our bases.

I'm past the point where I can change it in my current project, but will look for an opportunity to change it alongside future assignments. No harm in listing all the season requirements in the meantime.

Thank you! It'd be one of those projects that'd no doubt have to go through some design refinement and iteration, as there'll be a fair few usages of quest points to consider and translate.

My first thought is to, as you implied, use the number of quests completed as an approximate equivalent to quest points.

Eg perhaps the quest point shop currency might be some weighted combination of each completed quest's difficulty and length to try and get a similar conversion table to your current QPS unlocks.

That's just a first thought, though. No design or investigation work done as yet.

I've JIRAed a backlog of possible Quest QoL projects to explore in future game jams.

Replacing quest points with tracking number of completed quests is one of them. (Though certainly there's nothing stopping another developer from picking that up if they have the passion for it and get to it before I do.)

I'd estimate it's something doable by one dev in a game jam week, maybe two at most.

For the next game jam, I currently aim to continue with a project I started in the last one suggested by Kobra and Rubic - removing unnecessary requirements from various quests.

Yeah, Quest Improvement Projects. As in touching up old quests to improve what's already there, modernising and applying newer quest design guidelines to them. As opposed to full quest reworks where one quest is replaced with entirely different gameplay loosely inspired by the original.

For example, many moons ago when the objects in Cook's Assistant were converted from tradeable items to quest items and more info was added to the map to help find them. Most of the F2P quests have had multiple QIPs over the years that trickle out in patch notes.

We've got a couple of Quest Improvement Projects from recent game jams coming in Monday's update (Icthlarin's Little Helper from me and Olaf's Quest from Mod Desert).

Could you submit a bug report for that, please? If you haven't already. I've not seen a JIRA in our live bug library for that one. (Presumably a consequence of Mandrith being relocated in the wilderness refresh.)

As in this issue? https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/118duc6/quest_start_is_missing_any_ideas/

I wrote a bugfix for that yesterday. Is awaiting an RC build, though may not make it in this week as Release Candidate QA have got quite a lot of game jam stuff to test this week.

Worth noting the fix is to add Azzanadra's Quest to City of Senntisten's requirements so Ariane relocates as expected during the previous quest, so if you completed Battle of the Monolith before Azzanadra's Quest was added to its requirements, you'll need to complete Azzanadra's Quest regardless.

Thank you. :) I slipped that Timeline adjustment into the next Fort Forinthry quest I'm currently helping to finish off (as needed to tweak some Timeline there anyway), so you'll have to wait a little bit longer for that - but it's in-flight.

(Revising quest list filters is something I did during the last game jam in Dec 2022, which is going out with other release-ready game jam updates on Monday.)

I'm happy to report that one of the passion projects I developed in December's game jam yesterday passed Release Candidate testing and should go live in this coming Monday's update (27th Feb).

As interface changes can be a little contentious, I thought it wise to inform you in advance of this change, so it doesn't come as much of a surprise when released.

A small bug bear of mine is that, although there are various options to filter and sort the quest list child interface, you have to go into the Adventures->Quests parent interface to access them.

The filter checkboxes have also got a bit unwieldy over time, crammed into the top-left corner of the quest interface, and some of their phrasing is a little unclear due to space constraints.

To address this, I've:

• Moved the "Can complete", "Hide done", "Hide quests", "Hide miniquests" into an overlay panel toggled by a funnel button:
  • Renamed the filters to "Show Locked", "Show Compl...

Another quest was released (Myths of the White Lands IIRC) which then had conditional logic for whether or not you'd completed Sheep Shearer (essentially sharing quest points).

The reworked quests replaced with entirely new ones work similarly (eg if you completed Black Knights Fortress you don't get more quest points from completing The Death of Chivalry.) And TDoC consequently had to have the same disproportionately high 3 quest points of BKF it replaced.

This gets even more complicated when some quests that have eg Defence reqs can be reset by Nastroth and replayed.

TL;DR quest points are a growing pile of tech debt that we could really do without. Fortunately we're gradually digging it down as opportunities to do adjacent work go out (eg as of the latest achievement system rework, quest cape is now a list of required quests rather than current quest points).