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I believe it was a mistake with early implementation. It should adjust correctly next patch to match what’s actually strongest.

In spite of that* would be a better phrasing. Even with players actively lowering his win-rate he was still above 50% on day one.

Oops, as for if it’s a problem: We want Milio to be broadly appealing and pickable for the majority of players. In pro/optimized play, it’s totally possible he’s little more than a counter pick or niche pick, and that’s okay. But as long as the average player can find success, we are happy.

Inversely, we will watch to make sure his mechanics don’t disproportionately favor pro players over SoloQ players.

Yeah he has some very unique tools (range increase, AOE cleanse, periodic damage), but his standard tools were performing as good as (or sometimes better) than our traditional enchanters like Lulu, Janna, Soraka. So we are hoping to bring his standard “I keep teammates alive through effective HP” outputs below his peers who are designed to specialize in that.

We intend to support EWQ and WEQ as max orders. Currently, the vast majority of players max Q on the first day so his winrate is a bit lower on average due to that.

We expect milio to have high early winrates relative to other new champs due to his easy-to-play enchanter play style, but he still landed too high. This set of nerfs should bring him closer to long-term balanced but we will keep an eye going forward.

Apologies for the miss on release tuning, hopefully this quick adjustment will bring him closer to fair so everyone can enjoy fuemigos guilt-free!

That was lit

Storm Dragon Lee Sin originally I believe

Thanks I'll pass this along

I know what you're saying and understand your perspective, but jungle is largely 0-sum. So nerfing spam-gank jungle strategy buffs farming by comparison, so we would want to see if the power levels between the different classes of junglers ends up where we'd like before we commit to even further jungle shake-ups.

The strengths you note about Annie support are meant to be her strengths. We are aiming to keep her shield potency similar to other enchanter's main shields (Lulu, Janna, Karma, etc), and reduce the "free" power she gets from the reflect when maxed.

As others had noted, the nerfs here plus the mana regen loss from support item should result in a decent nerf that brings her from clearly OP (54%+) to normal enchanter strength (51%-52%) if I'm not trolling yet again

It is now beyond the first. So one level difference gives you 0 comeback XP when previously it would give you 16%

The jungle changes are meant to reduce the effectiveness of avoiding farm and instead chasing kills as a means of keeping up in experience.

On live (13.3), a jungler who participates in kills while behind in XP by only one level will gain enough experience to out-level the enemy jungler who opts to farm instead. This made ganking (especially early) more effective a strategy than farming, even on the most farm-heavy junglers. The goal here is to reduce the total XP junglers get when they opt to influence lanes disproportionately more than their opposition.

Wow looks amazing!

I believe I saw a twitter comment that said, paraphrased:

"Mage items have problems, they are just generic stat sticks. They don't do anything special

Mages should always be able to reach 1000 AP."

This basically summarizes the mage item problem. Mage items are literally not weak currently, and if they are it's by 10-20 AP maximum. We are still a far cry from the "1000 AP dream" that players quote, but in the case that 1000 AP was attainable, you would have to sacrifice luden/liandries effects, void staff pen, seraphs shield, and zhonya stasis to get there without just power creeping the system. While I think some players would gladly make that trade, 1000 AP doesn't come alongside a bunch of interesting effects.

Finding the balance here is correct. How do you balance a class to have fun and interesting items 1-3 and can also balloon into 1000 AP insta-kill casters at 6 items? As evidence of mages sitting at high win-rates and pick-rates fairly perma...

We are tracking Lillia's performance. We are cautious about buffing early speed due to her ability to quickly overtake junglers in both move speed and clear speed if she's too effective.

We are intentionally avoiding buffs that might put her on the pro radar as we've seen her jump from 0-100% presence and need to be nerfed to compensate. We currently believe the current shape (scaling AP jungler) allows her to rest at higher win-rates than before for the average soloq player.

I know there’s people actively still thinking about them. RoA and Seraphs were just improved and Horizon Focus is being looked at. The rest of the mage item system is still being thought about. Identifying what the actual issues are is the difficult part as all of the items are gold efficient and work, and mages continue to be pro play dominant. So it’s not as simple as “fix mage items” when the problems aren’t clear.

She was hotfixed during the 13.3 patch which brought her down from ~56% to ~54%. This is likely still out of line but we wanted to be confident she wouldn’t fall back into “strong but not OP” range naturally, as she fell from 58%-56% from patch start to before the micropatch.

With that said, my guess is we nerf next opportunity (11.5). We intend for her to be good, but she’s clearly over the line at the moment. A reasonable resting win-rate for Annie, a simple champion with limited mobility and range, is likely in the 52% area, considering how many champions sit <48% to account for opposite pattern. We are a little slow in this case due to the micropatch hitting a little lighter than expected and the weird circumstances of the patch (support and mid meta being in flux)

Thanks for the kind words! I'm also very excited about the things to come and very proud of our recent work

Oops yes that should be a buff