Just curious as to why it's exclusive with IE. Is it because the combo would do too much damage? Or is there some spaghetti code holding you back from making it non-exclusive.
It's meant to be an alternative to IE, on the same level of power but for different users/use cases.
Does Trynd’s innate crit chance not work with this Navori, then?
Does this also mean Yas/Yone would also need 2 whole crit items first or does their crit interactions work differently?
It does not work on tryndamere's innate crit chance at all. For Yasuo/Yone, it's not locked in whether we want it to work similar to IE or not.
The item will read: "Must have 60% purchased crit chance" or something similar, and for Yasuo/Yone we will likely opt into whatever is most intuitive as far as functionality goes.
Wouldnt Lucian crit build be kind of op though, that buffs everything about his kit including the R ( amount of bullet and now actual dmge scales with crit too !)
I mean it's preseason afterall, it's the right time for that, its cool that this item gets changes because it's been pretty much unused since its very release.
This preseason looks pretty massive, lot of item changes I like it
You need to remember that the trade-off is your auto attacks will be significantly weaker without IE. It depends entirely on where most of your damage will come from.
I’m trying this with spellcaster Jhin 😒. Minefield in the botlane.
That sounds hilarious, good luck
Does it work on Lucians R? This just sounds like something Lucian would love and a 20% dmg increase to his ult sounds bonkers.
Yes, anything that procs comet benefits from the bonus damage.
are you guys concerned that people may not know the difference and buy it "improperly"? for example you stated mf above would be a good user - off the top of my head i don't know if q damage would benefit from this change.
There are mild concerns of that, we are working on rules/wording that will make it clear. The intention is that anything that procs Comet will work, so MF Q is included.
Unreleated to this but why is the window for pinging enemy wards so long? 10 seconds is too much. Imo it should be that if a ward goes into stealth it is no longer pingable.
Because sometimes combat is happening in those couple seconds before the ward vanishes, preventing you from pinging it.
Yeah, misread your original comment that said it's not as good as IE. Thanks!
Yeah my mistake, I originally meant to include Ezreal in the "Intended Users" line
Was mentioned in a different comment that this doesn't work with Ezreal
It does in fact work with Ezreal
Could maybe make a Crit ezreal build viable? ER + QB + Mythic
We found that Kraken ER QB was a powerful trio on ezreal
So what's the appeal of making the whole 'attacks reduce non-ult cooldowns by X%' try to work? Speaking as someone who remembers the old Spear of Shojin too well, I really can't see this returning to the game and being balanceable in any way. Regardless of what delays/conditions are put on it.
The hope here is that the stat profile and crit-purchase requirement keeps it mostly locked to marksmen, GP, and squishy skirmishers, which we think are much more healthy users of this pattern than fighters of the past.
Out if sheer curiosity, are there any plans, or even ideas, to give Corki some crit scaling on his spells? I've been a proponent of crit Corki for years because he absolutely shreds anyone squishy late game with shrapnel and sorc shoes, and having some crit scaling could make the crit build even more appealing.
Note: I know this is wishful thinking, but I gotta try.
Thanks for responding to my previous question!
Currently not, especially with Navori filling that niche in the short term. We can see if this is a successful item to bring him back into the crit-scaling space.
But he only needs 20% crit to have 60% with full fury?
It does not count crit from other sources.
Does it require 3 items total or just 60% crit? Do you think it could be abused by Yone?
Just 60% crit from items. So it can be used by Yone/Yasuo. I expect it won't be better than IE but that's a good thing for me to double-check.
Does Impermanence increase just Base Damage of the ability or Base damage + AD/AP Raitos?
All damage, so including ratios. It's a flat multiplier on top of the spell calculation.
You mention Corki as a Crit Spell user...He isn't really a crit builder currently, so does this mean you guys are trying to push him more that direction than his mixed builds?
We are expecting it to be competitive with his current builds. Something like Shieldbow ER Navori has been testing VERY well for us.
Hey Ray, very cool change IMO. 2 Q's if you don't mind:
Do you think Trynd would still build this, and any intentional design reason why/why not this time around?
I asked in the other thread, but are there any other crit/on-hit item changes coming on up that you'd like to tease?
It will be weaker on tryndramere since it requires two previous crit purchases to work at all.
We intend to work on mortal reminder and stormrazor potentially in the future as well. Nothing planned for On-hits in the short term, alignment still needs to be made on what on-hits should do differently than crit.
Any chance of changes to Sivir to make it work better on her?
Historically, she was always a big caster ADC, and was a main user of the pre-sheen ER. Or is the mini Navori passive on her ult the main replacement for that?
Likely no changes in the short term for Sivir in particular. I expect this to be weaker on her since she loves IE so much (since the W won't scale with Navori)
Does the passive increase Kog's W damage?
On-hits and procs do not work with the passive, only spell damage. That was an alternate direction that we opted out of for the current Navori due to the risk of too many stretch users and unifying the rules. It was tough to identify what should/shouldn't work so we opted for just direct spell damage that would also work with Liandries (and other spell procs) etc.
Hi I can answer questions about this as I'll be assisting Phlox in getting this over the finish line.
FAQ:
Intended for Crit Spell users, Corki MF Varus Gangplank Ezreal (pog) etc
Likely not good on champs that already have IE synergy (Caitlyn, Sivir, Draven)
Exclusive with IE, cannot purchase both
Enables some fun play patterns with Kai'Sa, Lucian, etc
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