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11 Apr

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Originally posted by Radu47

An anecdote to sum up a key issue with chargescape:

I get a slayer task for 209 bloodvelds. Yay. Off to meyerditch. But first to prepare my setup. So I then have to make sure:

  • my venator bow is charged with essence

  • my ash sanctifier with death runes

  • soul bearer / soul and blood runes

  • my bonecrusher with ectotokens (bloodvelds occasionally drop bones)

On top of:

  • vyre noble clothes

  • prayer, ranging potions

  • runes for alching

  • cannonballs for cannon

Already a complex enough trip for just one task. Now almost twice as complex. Naturally very easy to forget one single thing and have to run all the way back.

I think one of the big keys is keep it special. Charges shouldn't be for every item. If something has a mystical quality especially, give it charges, but otherwise ideally avoid it.

I think you're right on the last point. Charges aren't an everywhere thing, there is a time and a place for straight up upgrades to your account's progression, like a levelup. Just to give some insight into why they are so tempting to add though:
We generally think new content adds variety and fun to the game, and we want people to have a reason to go experience it. We know people will generally only do content if it furthers their account goals, such as leveling up or gaining gp.

We also know that people don't like to "sink" gp into an activity for 10 hours until they finally get a unique, but they like uniques to be rare so they're valubale. We also don't want to keep relying on devaluing skilling supplies, nor do we want to inflate the economy too much by introducing too many alchables.

Charged items, or the resource used to charge them, tick all of these boxes. They don't affect skilling supplies, don't introduce gp into the economy, can be dropped often a...

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Originally posted by WastingEXP

I believe there's a "you are almost at 6 hours, are you sure you want to enter the raid?" warning. (this could be rl, idk) could that be applied to low charge weapons?

Rice's idea is neat though. would definitely feel way better.

Big fan of that. Wonder if there's anything more comprehensive we can do as well, maybe when withdrawing the item from bank, though that might get annoying.

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Originally posted by Graardors-Dad

Honestly I feel like the idea that you have charges to make free items more valuable never actually happens and just feels bad. If I buy a bis item I want to use my bis item everywhere. That’s why TBow feel so good because I can use different ammo if I want to mix things up I’m not gonna go use my bowfa and keep a 1.6 bill item in the bank. Also like the quiver I’m not using a Ava’s if I unlock a quiver

Think that's a fair point. The examples where this is true are outnumbered.

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Originally posted by WastingEXP

I believe there's a "you are almost at 6 hours, are you sure you want to enter the raid?" warning. (this could be rl, idk) could that be applied to low charge weapons?

Rice's idea is neat though. would definitely feel way better.

That's a great idea

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Originally posted by SomeGuy1929

There is a runelite plug in that shows your current charges for many items on their inventory icon. It mostly works well but is a little buggy at times. Could something like this be built into the main game?

It would help alleviate the mistake of being mid-raid and running out of charges if you can see at a glance how many you have left simply by glancing at your inventory. Right-click examining and checking the chat box isn't a huge deal, but it can get annoying and is easy to forget to do

Yeah I think that's a really good suggestion, helps with the burden of worrying about it so much.

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Originally posted by 0rinx

The main reason I hate everything having charges is I have to start thinking if what I am doing is getting a big enough return to pay for the charges I am using instead of just putting on my best gear and picking what activity based on what I have the most fun doing.

Does corrupting an item just remove that for you? You still spend a lot but once it is done... it is done.

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Originally posted by PeaceBear0

I gotta say I like the idea. You're basically making the true cost of the item base cost + corruption cost except that you're allowed to use it before paying the full corruption cost. You get a really satisfying feeling twice, once when you get the drop and again when you get enough to corrupt it.

It might be awkward for players that use the ge if they're used to selling and rebuying their gear and that might reset the corruption progress, but that's not any worse than what they have now.

Are you thinking of applying this to existing items or just future items? What about items that don't currently corrupt like crystal armour or blood fury?

It's the early stages of the idea so we're still gathering feedback. I think many of us on the team feel that adding it retroactively to other "Corruptible" items makes sense if we're doing it going forwards. Part of that conversation probably will involve "Were there any items that could have been corruptible that weren't made that way?" but it's not easy to give an answer off the cuff.

It's a delicate conversation because when we ask that question it touches on a lot of elements outside of the scope of just the items themselves. Are we going to ruin the gp/hr of a piece of content? Are we going to devalue/deprecate non-charged items that shouldn't be devalued? That's not to say it won't happen, but that there will probably be many case by case conversations. Sorry if the answer is a bit of a cop out, but in summary, we'll probably look into it!

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Originally posted by PeaceBear0

I gotta say I like the idea. You're basically making the true cost of the item base cost + corruption cost except that you're allowed to use it before paying the full corruption cost. You get a really satisfying feeling twice, once when you get the drop and again when you get enough to corrupt it.

It might be awkward for players that use the ge if they're used to selling and rebuying their gear and that might reset the corruption progress, but that's not any worse than what they have now.

Are you thinking of applying this to existing items or just future items? What about items that don't currently corrupt like crystal armour or blood fury?

One outcome is we could absolutely go back and apply it to suitable items. Plenty of stuff to work out though if we were to do that.

Personally not 100% sure on the idea of corrupting currently not corruptable stuff - as long as it has the right cost I don't think it's a big deal. Normally corruption costs quite a bit, probably more charges than most players probably ever use!

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Originally posted by stopcopium

If the benefit is big, like Blood Fury healing 6% effectively, it’s almost warranted to have charges. But if the benefit is negligible, not really necessary.

We’re fine with Trident/Magic using runes since that’s how it was from the start, but for melee gear, you should get a big benefit if you want to add charges (ie. Uncharged scythe to Charged Scythe).

However, there should always be a good active way to maintain said charges. For example, if the only way to get Zulrah Scales was Sacred Eel fishing, it would be complete ass until you add Zulrah.

Likewise, if you could only mine Ancient Essence to upgrade imbued heart and Muspah didn’t exist. I think Muspah went a little too generous because the essence is basically worthless and could very well not exist due to how much is pushed out per kill.

People also like the idea of permacharge as a huge cost.

I think everything you've said is fair - it'd be obnoxious if the power of the item doesn't really justify needing charges.

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Hey all, wanted to start a casual discussion about ChargeScape - we see lots of feedback here about disliking it. We want to learn and figure out a better approach for future.

Why do we do charges?

There are several main reasons we have offered charges in the way we have recently:

  • We want charges to add 'cost' to using powerful items (similar to arrows/runes). This creates space for free to use items which are less powerful.
  • We want unique common items to drop in drop tables that aren't merely alchables or skilling resources.
  • We want drops which will encourage longer term engagement with a piece of content.
  • Corruption is OK because it still encourages you to acquire a large quantity of the charge item.

We believe these are the problems

This is a mix of things we've heard you all say and things we also think:

  • It feels really bad to use charges when you ...
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10 Apr

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Originally posted by Rhaps0dy

In the case of goblin still reading these, is a Wintertodt damage rebalance still in the backlog or has the shipped sailed?

Ship has not sailed - it's still very much there for an upcoming QoL Poll!

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Will pass this one on to the team working on Rebalance bits and see if it's feasible, seems a sensible change if it's easy to implement!

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Originally posted by Duke_ofChutney

What's not correct is our statement that defeating all three bosses would provide an additional 1/56 roll at any item, for a total of 1/14. This is not the case and has never been the case

What exactly is the clarification here? That the roll is not for any item? Or that they're isn't an additional roll at all?

It's to say that the additional roll is not the case, was a slight error in communication with some of the rate stuff last week.

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Correct, yeah!

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Originally posted by mrb726

What happened to releasing rates for hunter rumours? Last week a jmod commented they forgot and they'd include it in the next week, but I don't see any mention of it.

What's the rates for rare hunter creature parts? Pet from rumours? Outfit from rumours?

They were retroactively added to last week's blog post, see here, just above 'Changelog': https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=13/varlamore-tweaks--drop-rates?oldschool=1

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Originally posted by Practical_Ear_6936

Can we address the quiver bug soon, bows still won’t recognize arrows in the quiver if you have atlatl darts in main slot

Have made a note and will pass it on to the team to resolve!

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Originally posted by jdaddy10

He's a great team player too!!! Goblin for pres

We all are, it's actually pretty important to me that people realise that nobody works in a vacuum and we succeed/fail as a team. Would rather people support (or not) the team holistically rather than singling out individuals on either side, the added pressure or potential to dogpile people isn't fun to navigate a lot of the time.