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Read moreI mean I just did, if you would actually consider the criticism maybe LEC and LCS would have good casting lol. I don't even blame the casters, it is clearly Riot's fault and Papa has even mentioned the difference between casting for a live studio and casting English LCK.
But there has to be a happy medium, and LCS and LEC do not meet that medium whatsoever. What more can I say other than what I said above and that the cast is not fun? As I said in another comment, LCK even makes the longest of pauses fun. LEC in the other hand doesn't even attempt to make them fun, it just rehashes talking points until chat is so bored that everyone is leaving so then they go to a break, and then come back and still need more time so again rehash boring points.
Why can't anyone have fun on the cast? It's supposed to be entertainment, but it feels like everyone forgot. LEC is supposed to be my home region yet I feel as connected to LEC as I feel to the DOTA 2 pro scene, a game I have...
So one of the things you said was specifically in regard to medic and myself. I do find a sense of irony in being told that I have no personality. Regardless, to me it just sounds like there is a style that you very much enjoy which is not quite what we do in the LEC. The LCK allows for more opportunity to have these 'casual chats' that you are a big fan of because the games are objectively slower. The LEC is not quite the same given that we, as a region, are almost as kill heavy as the LPL. So my initial point is that each region allows for certain things to happen.
My follow up to that is slow games do happen in Europe and when they do, you're definitely right in that we do much less 'casual chatting' than the LCK broadcast do. We find value in focusing a little more on player stories or narratives in those moments. However, that's not to say we don't engage in those kinds of conversations too, it very much depends on the context. Not too long ago, Trevor and I had a nic...
Read moreRead moreNo thanks, the casting style in LEC would make Papa's talents go to waste.
Papa thrives in banter and casual chat during the LUL state, and LEC instead has medic and vedius harping on about some bs that is never gonna happen and also has eternally boring fake decorum with no casual chat or anything of interest so boring games are totally unwatchable and even good games are far less entertaining becuase the cast has no personality.
It's funny really to watch LS accurately predict what will happen in 5 mins and then start talking about Pokémon or some shit.
Despite spending 5 mins not even talking about LoL while nothing is happening, his prediction on what is about to happen is still way more accurate than the random crap LEC says and the cast was actually fun to listen to during the time when nothing was happening unlike LEC.
LEC casting style (and LCS) is just terrible and BO1 compounds the issue further. Both feels like some crappy American sports ...
Tell us how you really feel friend
/u/Ovedius I enjoyed your segment with Frosk and Medic about the difficulties you go through trying to be known for analysis vs FLEXIUS and I just wanted to say that although not every viewer will be able to recognize y’all’s Deficio level analysis and incredible insights, I certainly do and it’s the reason I watch EU instead of NA consistently. (Other than Cloud 9, because I’ve been a fan since S3.)
Your work does go appreciated, and whenever there is a great point I will make an effort to let y’all know!
Also paging /u/MedicCasts and /u/thatEuropeanFangirl for the incredible color casting provided by the team.
Much appreciated! However it was Ender that I was on the podcast with ;)
I am here and ready to play
I like seeing more VOD reviews. Why do you use a screenshot of the draft instead of just playing out the draft on stream or just viewing the website with the draft directly?
Just a personal preference. I like having the whole picture in front of me and find this is a really easy way to present it.
I really like the crew but Frosk is so fkin biased towards the Top Teams that i can't stand her sometimes
What do you mean by biased towards the top teams? As someone that works closely with her, she has no favourites in our league and there's nothing I've personally heard that suggests she has any clear biases.
I'm interested if you took the context of Woolites laning stats into consideration- he had a 2v7 game (Profit f**king his wave up even more after the FIRST dive) with Vander vs Misfits and a Sona game while having a smaller sample size of games due to Heaq beign a starter sometimes iirc. While his laning for LEC is indeed meh for now I do belive it does influence the stats.
Of course, however he's also had games where he has played vs Sona tahm lanes as well and this has swung him the other way. On average, he's not the worst laner in the league, but he's definitely below average. The frustration on my end came from people using his one stand out game to justify his sudden climb to glory when that was more of an exception rather than the norm.
Explained it way better than I did (re-reading sounds like a but like a 'jab' at you which it was not meant to!). In my defence I wrote it at like 5/6am on no sleep haha.
Side note it must be a little frustrating that people only care about the result of a prediction and not your reasons for them, and take the game predictions so serious when half the time you guys are messing around.
Rarely do people actually hold me accountable for predictions outside of international events. I didn't watch the video so they may have criticized a prediction I made but honestly I'm not really bothered by it. If people just want to make fun of me for an incorrect prediction it's really fine. If someone is trying to discredit me as an analyst by using a prediction I made then their opinion probably isn't worth listening to.
/u/Ovedius can you confirm or deny that you are an analyst?
The type of analysis I would do is arguably different to what a team analyst would do. My job is to try and understand how and why things go right or wrong based on the game I'm watching. Their job is about helping their team improve and I would imagine studying the game from a slightly different perspective.
My title is analyst when I'm on a desk but I'm more of a broadcast analyst which should in theory be different to a team analyst. I can't confirm as I've never done analysis for a team before so I don't know the full inner workings of how they do things
I sure do have one talented family. Well, I guess it depends on your perspective :)
Hope we get an update on the Vedius photo shoot u/Ovedius u/RiotDrakos
Read moreI personally think you're doing fine. The issue with the broadcast as a whole is, you need multiple people that have different tiers of analysis.
Imo the ideal setup would be to have a low level analyst, that discusses the overarching pace of the game, so that the more laymen viewer can understand what's going on.
Then you would have the mid tier analyst, which is your wheelhouse, you know a lot about the game, more than 99% of the viewers and can approach the largest chunk of the audience with your analysis.
These two are present in LEC with people like you and Drakos, however what the LEC broadcast is lacking is the high tier analyst. The person who's focus is to go insanely in depth, professional level knowledge. Someone who could tell you the significance between placing a ward at 3:10 as opposed to 3:12, someone who can criticize a player for building the longsword in his phage before ruby crystal at a certain level because they understand the matchup...
This is a well thought out response and I respect it a lot. Thanks for your input, it's extremely valuable
Hi Vedius, you and Medic are the best things(?) to happen to the LEC in the last 2 years, please continue being awesome at your job :D one day I hope to travel to the LEC to watch you guys casting live!
It was difficult for me at first to adjust to the caster changes in both EU and NA as I had lots of nostalgia for Krepo/Deficio/Jatt but now that both regions have stepped up the broadcast quality significantly it feels like a new era of esports and I have settled into it quite nicely :D the kia casters ad that you guys did (the one where you're at the airport) really resonated with me on how I felt about LEC but I feel excited for the future rather than longing for the past. The whole broadcast team at LEC has enormous talent and I feel like any of the growing pains people have are just that and will go away with time. Just stay open to criticism, and have a thick skull to deflect the pointless comments, you guys will figure it out :D
I appreciate the comment! We'll keep working hard and doing our best <3
Read moreNah, I think you're absolutely right and I'd probably recommend you and the other casters not take anything too seriously you read on here. Thinking back to why I loved Deficio so much it's hard for me to recall anything other than loving his accent haha.
Other than having great personalities I think another big part of it is it's easy to have a couple small mistakes and/or undesirable quirks and near permanently be labeled as a lacking caster. Additionally if the replacement caster isn't as loved as the one being replaced, the complaints will naturally spread out to the entire team even if most people only have a grievance with that one person.
FWIW I think your casting is great and it's worth mentioning that of the several hundred thousands who watch LEC probably 99% of them don't have any problems with the level of analysis. I appreciate yours and Quickshots attempts to get good feedback on here, but I think you're probably better of just tuning out the noise. ...
I still think that if enough people complain, even if only just a small percentage, it's an opportunity for growth. I may never be what deficio was, but I'd love to come close to as many fans as possible. So I'll keep working towards that!
Thanks for your replies and your comments. It was insightful and helpful!
Imo just reading through these comments it almost seems like what makes a good analyst in most people's minds in someone who is not afraid to disagree and is able to voice their strong opinions, which is a characteristic I think many of the people being mentioned in this thread as "real analysts" have. I don't necessarily agree but I have to admit that it does make the broadcast more interesting when there is a sense of debate going around.
Also I feel as if the "top" analysts look at the game from a more deeper perspective. For example something like G2 has a great early game or Splyce likes to play for late is pretty obvious to anyone who watches. But something like G2 struggles early when they don't have Mikyx on an aggressive pick to get bot lane ahead early. That's probably not the best example since I'm obviously not an analyst myself but I hope you get what I'm going for lol.
And your statement is ultimately where the challenge lies. We on the broadcast often voice strong opinions and are not afraid to voice critical ones, you only have to listen to a vitality intro for something like that, but aside from that few people know what in-depth is. It's like people shout that they know they want something, you feel like you give it to them, then they shout back "No that's not it" and you just keep trying until it sticks.
Honestly I think fans on reddit just miss deficio and krepo, but equate their analysis to the thing missing rather than their amazing personalities. Don't get me wrong, they were great analysts, but I feel like more people will remember that time deficio got his butt slapped over the last thing deficio taught them about league. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the impression I get anyway.
I don't think the comedic skits are an issue. People just like to hate on "cringey" stuff because they don't have the balls to find it funny.
When it comes to your casting, as I mentioned above, I thing you are doing a great job when it comes to game knowledge, just try to tune down the bias a little bit imo...
Ah bias, a classic given to all casters. I can promise you that I have no bias for any team. Internationally, I naturally always want Europe to do well. However domestically, I do not care who wins. Happy to be shown any evidence you have of my apparent bias.
Not OP and not necessarily to do with that comment, but my biggest problem with enjoying LEC right now is everything is dialed to 100 the entire time. I get that casters want to keep an audience excited and engaged but League ebbs and flows and the cast should too.
Do you have any examples where this is the case? I feel quite strongly that my colleagues only turn it up to 100 when the situation deserves it however I'm very open to being wrong here.