RiotMaxw3ll

Hello, designer for the tank here.

I understand the concerns here; high skill generally translates to high agency (semi pro-skewed), and tanks in general tend to be pro skewed as well. One thing I want to clear up is that 'high skill' isn't really a mechanic that has too much game impact. Its more a consideration of audience. The current roster of tanks tend to have fairly easy to figure out patterns and approach fights in similar ways. Our goal with this character is to create a tank who appeals to players who like deep mastery curves and characters who really test your ability to approach fights in clever ways. I don't believe we'd ever cut that aspect of the character, since that was the whole impetus for making them.

We have a couple things we're working on to mitigate the balance concerns. I don't want to get into specifics since we're still pretty far out and not everything is sorted yet, but generally we're looking at making sure they're more gold reliant th...

No, we use 50% as the target for her long term resting win rate average. Mains of a champ tend to be above the average.

The way we determine wether or not to hot fix comes down to our estimated win rate growth and where we expect them to be for players with zero experience in the champ. In Gwen’s case, we estimated that she’d grow a little under 10 percent given her fragility and high mechanical burden. Her win rate on launch plus our estimate still put her under 50%, so we did a cautious buff in order to try and get her more in line.

Yuumi was actually a learning experience for us, that we should be factoring larger growth estimates for weirder champs. That’s why these buffs are so minor. We could buff her to be 50% right now, but the goal is to buff her to be long term balanced. Like everything we do, the live environment is much different from our testing one, so we monitor the champ closely as the players grow to learn the new one.

Luo would have a better answer, but my read on the differences are that Gwen is amazed at everything because it's new to her. Neeko has a curiosity because she has an ethos that already exists (the connections between people and their shoma) and is reconciling that with our world view. Lillia is a much more withdrawn character who, as she blooms, becomes excited specifically about the human dreams and what they mean for their dreamers and her.

Localized Morde ult was the first implementation of that ability :D

Well... I may be coming back shortly :D

Thank you so much. That means a lot.

Yeah, I want to give the comms team time to roll out their stuff. They make a lot of awesome things and I don't want to scoop them.

The mechanics of the zone are more similar to Xin ult, but where he has the tools to dive on you and lock you down, Gwen is much worse about being able to choose her fights. Gwen is still very dangerous in melee range, so it plays a little bit more like fighting against yasuo where he's protecting himself from a fight but can definitely fight you if you try and go in on him.

She's got a few in built defenses that will help her out, but getting bursted is definitely a weakness of hers.

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Her stacking MS is a pretty powerful defensive tool, allowing her to dodge a lot of skill shots + kite backwards in ways that let her choose her fights more than most battlemages ever get to. I can see the argument though for sure.

skirmishers are a subclass riot hasn't made that many champions for until recently, much less AP ones which is just sylas pretty sure

yeah lillia was hard to classify. I put her as a hybrid skirmisher/mage, but I think battlemage could be a reasonable argument.

I don't want to get into too many specifics, but her Hallowed Mist essentially provides her with an area of safety from enemies outside it. She plays around it a little like Wind Wall, protecting her from enemies outside it, but if they cross the threshold, they're in there with her able to fight.

She's not designed to fight ranged champions; her target access isn't that great. She just wants some safety while she snips up the frontline.

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you think you hate yuumi now.... Jesus.

She could auto attack while attached for exactly one playtest. Meddler played her that game and built RFC

Hijacking top comment to say: I was the one who did the most recent Zac revert, and this is more or less correct. No damage characters have very little agency in fights since they rely on teammates which make them 1. Pro play problems and 2. Incredibly unpopular with the player base.

Man I read that title and got baited hard. f*cking love you Flowers.

Its not a matter of smart or dumb (honestly people playing this game can handle a lot more complexity than most others). Its a matter of intuitiveness. As a designer I want people to find the information they're looking for quickly. I could write out all the information in one long string of numbers, but then you'd have to spend a bunch of time scanning the longer formulas to find the ones you want. My assertion is that a player who is advanced enough to always show the extended tooltip would be advanced enough to see that shift-hovering their tooltip was the fastest way to get that particular information.