Still feels like yall just didn't have time and decided to cut a dragon Short and make excuses 😒
Lol that is not the case, if you want to think that way then go right ahead. If feedback points to it being needed it can always come back. We are still not convinced it is, and this surfaces more of the exciting dragons and more feel able mechanics, while also meaning less mental burden to worry about.
The wind drake was huge for Aurelion Sol ganks, kiting mobility and all around kits, almost as crucial the drakes were to Shyvana yet he didn't even get as small as a mention, as usual. Why?
I know you're gonna keep an eye on it, blablabla.
Same speech as league PC, except they can at least be excused by having 10 times the champ pool size to balance out
LoLPC didn't always, and their team is much larger and working on their game for much longer.
We are watching all champions with this change, but we don't expect ASol to be disproportionately affected by this. And it doesn't make sense to compensate him, or any champion, when we don't even know what the final changes will be...Especially with removing Cloud Drake being a test, and it might come back.
Like many movement speed focused champions, (Rammus, Singed) Asol is actually on the stronger end right now. But it is difficult to feel these champion's power and these are regular thought of as weak by the playerbase, this happens in both Wild Rift and LolPC.
Shyvana's passive literally calls out Cloud Drake, and if Cloud Drake is removed it must change to be functional.
Supports could be more impactful if they play well. If both my ADC and Jungler are struggling, I want it so that if they're at least trying, me tagging along could flip tables and help them carry later.
Yeah supports definitely are pivotal overall (they amplify skill) but they can't just upset a whole losing match the way a hypercarry can and all the other roles can fulfill that in some way.
Also, please more stats tracking and accessibility to those stats.
There are a few longer term issues that we hope to address with supports but I suspect these goals will still help them a lot. Larger individual carry power should still help with supports, when you choose the correct ally to enhance or enemy to lock down.
To be clear I don't want to give the impression that this is some silver bullet, but I suspect a step in the right direction.
thank you very much for the reply
i was a victim of that thought but glad to hear from riot employees that i was completely wrong
Not wrong, your experience is not the average of all players and will reflect your playstyle and champion pool. First Drake is very powerful, and that stress you are feeling is exactly what I meant when I said it is something we want to address here.
to be perfectly honest
i only get stressed and feel that the match is over when the first dragon is the red fire dragon, whoever takes that dragon has a big and i mean
BIG
baron buff kinda advantage early game especially if they also have a jax or camille or vayne or any other late game champion getting the red fire dragon as first dragon outright removes their early game weakness and they become unstoppable forces and immovable objects all game long
so making the red fire dragon be the 3-rd spawned dragon then that would make things alot better
This goes along with that perception of dragon power I was talking about and is actually the opposite problem of cloud drake. Where infernal dragon's effects are easy to over value. Early game % damage isn't going to do much for you, but it is a powerful lategame buff.
It's been a while since I last looked, but when I did all 4 dragons seem to translate roughly into the same likelihood of winning (obviously individual champions have their own drake preference). But Infernal is valued very highly because it is damage, and cloud drake is undervalued because it is difficult to feel.
I want to make clear that the version of Elemental Rift that Alan talked about is a test. Things like the number of dragons, what dragons, the buffs themselves, when the map changes, Elder Dragon, and Dragon Soul can and will change based on player feedback.
We are expecting to get a lot of feedback from you all once you have a chance to play it. Depending on what feedback you all have, things will change.
With that in mind our major goals to guide this feedback are:
1 Increase the power of individual carry potential.
Meaning a player should be able to feel like they are better able to carry on their own. This doesn't mean all games should be 1v9 carries, but if you are dominating you should feel a bit better about winning the game even if your team is struggling.
2 Reduce stress, particularly in the early game and around team coordination/objectives.
We feel there is a lot of stress caused by the power of the early game, and objec...
Read moreI mean good champions though
Depends on how you want to define good. He's a fun and powerful champion. I don't know if Megadrive is his ideal item though.
The vision system is weak, although all roles should help, this is traditionally a big part of the support role
Very much this. u/r0guefool said in an eariler thread that the devs don't want vision to be only the support's job and want it to be a team effort (or something on those lines), but that also means that you have less individual agency to play around vision compared to League PC (from what I can tell from esports at least, I don't actually play the game myself).
The only real vision-related item is umbral glaive, which isn't viable on like 90% of champs because of the stats, and we have no vision-related runes like zombie ward or ghost poro. (We are missing blue trinket and control wards too, but that's understandable imo). That makes it so even if you wanted to control vision, you're very limited in your options, in addition to being punished by missing out on gold and xp.
Yep, this is still true. We don't think players should think of vision as primarily the support's responsibility, nor supports thinking of vision as something they must understand more than the rest of their team.
So it really comes down to how you want to categorize Flash, yes when compared directly to another summoner spell it is very strong. However, we like how Flash shapes the game so we don't treat it like other summoner spells, and instead think of it as a default tool each champion has access to, and some (like you said with Yuumi) will opt out of it. This is why you see it in every default loadout (other than Yuumi).
This means it isn't just for low mobility champions, but a tool for all champions. Maybe that is safety in the laning phase before they get their mobility, or as a tool to make plays later in the game. But you are right that it is a very popular, basically mandatory, summoner spell.
So it is crazy enough to actually use. Even a two person satchel on ziggs chunks your cooldown by 50 seconds, that's wild.
Ziggs, you're thinking too small =P. Many supports have multiple ways to immobilize multiple champions while adding in a mix of healing/shielding.
is that a 75% cooldown reduction or does it apply individually (56%)
From the player's perspective, it all happens at the same time. But it does apply multiplicatively as if they had been applied one after the other (56%).
Note this graph only shows if you hit a 5 person Immobilize the same second you use your active item. It doesn't account for other CC or healing effects, or if you let time pass.
It's also possible I made a typo somewhere below, I couldn't find a good way to copy/paste my excel into this post.
| Immobilize | 15% | Refund | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Base CD | 1 Target | 2 Targets | 3 Targets | 4 Targets | 5 Targets | |
| TP | 180 | 153 | ...
How does hextech interact with ongoing slows like ziggs bomb field? Do I get 15% less cooldown on my stasis for every champion I hit?
It doesn't apply to slows, but if you get a 5 person knock-up on Ziggs Satchel Charge it will apply the refund effect 5 times.
I was wondering as slows stack in wild rift, what is the formula for additional slows as there is 0 info about it elsewhere and additional slows give diminishing returns, and also is the lowest movespeed cap 134?
Here is how slows are calculated.
Aggregation of Haste Percentage
Aggregation of Slow Percentage
If multiple slows are at same strength, all except the first one stack at 30% efficiency
I wish I had an apt response for this, but I don’t. I just know it “feels” bad. Don’t get me wrong, it lets me abuse melee assassins that become awfully tanky whilst dishing out plenty of damage. I just don’t know if that’s the goal.
The goal is to try and keep these champions in a relatively balanced state, but even with these changes, Rengar is a bit weaker than we would like. I do agree that making him tankier and dealing increased damage isn't ideal, but the alternative would be for him to be VERY weak, with our current tools.
I play A LOT of Aram. Let me tell you, the damage reductions and buffs make some stuff feel awful. If you’re a champ at 85-95 percent dmg, and attack a unit with a 10-20 percent dmg reduction, even your crits often feel weak. I wish they’d implement a different balancing system, other than “you do more dmg or take less dmg, or both”
It is something we have talked about, and do want to expand our balance tools for maps and modes. Things like damage to/from turrets/minions are likely ones, though it comes down to prioritization.
but yuumi W is also affected by imparied movement but you still can use W when slowed
It sounds like there might be some confusion. Yuumi's W gets put on a 5s CD if she is immobilized (Hard CC), but like you said, she can still use it after being slowed.
If slows are blocking that, or if a slow is causing problems in another area then it might be a bug that I am not aware of.
It would be really helpful if we get rune stats after games in the future tnq
It is something we would like to have too, but it would require a lot of extra work for not a lot of value right now. Down the line, it would be good to have, but it would require new hookups, and UI for something that most would likely not look at, so our focus has been on other areas atm.
Yes, slowing an enemy's movement counts as impairing it, and does trigger the weakness rune.
Read moreOk thanks - but that ur criteria set to look at the problem based on the insec ability… like I get how iconic that was when it was brought to competitive League - but I’m sure it wasn’t part of the ability’s original design.
Look at Jax as a counter example - where the team was happy to just remove the ability to q to wards (ward hopping).
So by comparison, a fleeing Lee Sin can q to enemy target and dash, then a totally un- targetable dash with w, then flash - no other champ can compare to this level of mobility and is unprecedented in the game - all because the dev team wanted to keep the ability to insec?
I would say he can still insec but needs more prep, like a pre-placed ward or at the least allow it to target enemies as well as allies - but to go the whole hog instead and give him an un-targeted dash to me seems like over kill.
Truly tho, I’d rather see all champs buffed to his level than nerfing him. The difference between the community’s pe...
Jax's leap doesn't lead to a combo that is iconic for the champion. It is used for an escape or an engage, for an already powerful champion. Where as Lee Sin's is part of a combo, that if not present, would feel like he isn't himself.
You are right, we could make ward hoping the expected patter for Lee Sin to do his combo. I never said it wasn't possible, I said the controls would be bad, and clunky. Some people could do it for sure, but it doesn't mean it would be clean.
If you read my above responses you'll see me saying that Lee Sin isn't OP like many, on this forum, think. It's much more of a frustration problem. So if you are saying we should raise champions so that same frustration then I need to disagree. If you are saying we should bring all champions to his power level then expect nerfs to many champions. We tend to want to keep the champion pool at a relatively stable power level.
Both Lee Sin and Jax can be frustrating in their own ways, but Jax ...
Read moreThank you for this rational response. I see a lot of people posting out of frustration and I totally empathize, but I appreciate your analysis and objectivity. Thanks for making a great game which I have enjoyed for many years. I am playing wild rift a lot right now because I don’t have the ability to sit in front of my computer as I once did. I hope you will pass on to that team my highest compliments! I had been hoping for soooo long that a mobile version of LoL would be made and I tried all of the clones on mobile. The clones always disappointed me. So thank you for creating this opportunity to experience all of the frustrations, achievements and accomplishments! Keep it up!
Thanks! I'm glad you are enjoying the game, and it means a lot to hear you share your love of the game. The team puts everything they can into the game because of how much you all, and us, love it.
As a long time moba player myself, Wild Rift is a bit of a dream come true for me too. And hearing people enjoying it makes everything that much better.
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