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Id say that ideally the kill goes to your jungler or carry, but if your options are taking the kill vs a high risk of your opponent getting away/getting a kill, the support should risk taking the kill.

if we look at her potential and what good players do with her or get good with her

Your right she is a champion with a high skill floor/ceiling. And my experience isn't what we want to balance off of, that's the reason that we put more weight on aggregate data. Glancing at that data I would say she is currently one of the weakest champions in the game right now but is very tricky to find a way to get her into a healthy spot without being a frustrating nightmare.

I mean you had casuals on Reddit complain 24/7 about her kat,fizz,zed(btw those champs are still good but I don’t think their OP .. lol starting to see a trend here.

A few things here, I think it's hard to call anyone posting on this subreddit casual. Players might be different skill levels for sure, but the fact that they are taking the extra time, outside of the game, to talk about the game is a very not casual behavior. You typically only se...

Yes those champions were all winrate related, being some of the highest winrate champions at High-Elite levels of play. And there is a fair argument to be made that a champion's pickrate should be a larger factor. Its all a balancing act, and but (to be clear this numbers are extreme and made up) if a champion had a 70% winrate with a low, but still meaningfully representative, pick rate do you think its worth nerfing the champion? I guess what I'm interested in hearing your opinion of is what you think these bounds should be?

Easy to play hasn't been the focus with any of those nerfs though, or really any nerfs, we can factor that out by looking at a champions mastery curve (looking at data from players with over X games played on the champion), and the fact that we focus on high-elite levels of play for balance changes.

Looking at the data you linked I can see what Lee Sin is such a focus. But what I see is that the 4 of the top 5 picks are junglers. 6-7 (depend...

Personally, nope. Yi is one of the best at getting Penta kills though.

I'm happy to keep having this discussion but I need you to acknowledge that we do look at a lot of things when deciding balance changes, and everything can be broken down into "rates" rates are an aggregate and move past an individual's experience. And I don't think you want us balancing the game that way, or we would have never nerfed Akali, who I personally felt was rather weak from the number of times I laned against her. Luckily we try not to allow our subjective experiences to be the primary guide and instead use all these things that I mentioned above.

Different elo groupswinratespick ratesban ratewinrate by game lengthplayer perceptionsome amount of pro playitem/rune choicescompeting championsmastery curves

All of these influence who gets balance changes, and what those changes are. This is the foundation for this discussion and if we can't accept that this is what the team uses than everything else falls apart.

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Where is this idea coming from? This is not the case, normal PVP uses an MMR system and will match you with people around your MMR. This system is also separate from your ranked MMR.

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We do pay attention to tier lists, as I said in the above post we pay attention to community perception and do take it into account both targets for, and the severity of, balance changes. We also take into account balance changes for different elo ranges and target changes in such a way to better hit the targeted elo bracket. So a champion dominating in lower elos will get nerfs targeting that bracket just like a weak one at elite levels of play will receive changes targeting elite elo buffs.

I am interested to hear why it's always "because X champion is bad in low elo" in Jhin's case he has been slightly strong outside of elite play...where he is doing just fine and it doesn't make sense to buff a champion when that is the case.

There are some that are very popular in pro play, and we do keep an eye on it, but it hasn't been our primary focus where many of these champions don't perform at a pick/ban level, let alone strong, outside of that level of play.

I believe the team initially didn't make teleport a summoner spell because in WR it's more of a reactive choice against (or in support of) splitpushing or rotations.

i find jungle to be the most rewarding role just because of how much influence i feel i have over the game.

related: did you ever just set up games like fifa or tekken and watch two (teams of) bots play to see who wins? that's kind of how i feel about my lanes when i'm jungling, but i can step in like a god and fix things. plus, objective fights are all on me, and if i'm playing like lee or khazix, i have to focus on getting rid of carries. i am NOT a jungle main in league PC but i feel great playing it in WR

For me, it really depends on the champion. But I tend to take Ghost on champions that need to move around a lot during a fight and Snowball for those that struggle to get into a fight. Singed is a good example here, where you can use Ghost to get past the other team or use it to run around during the fight, but who doesn't need snowball to start it.

She is slightly more popular in Elite play than in other elo ranges, but they are all still high. As for your individual games, the jungle has never been a popular role (though it is HIGHLY impactful especially if you want to climb).

But every game still has 2 junglers. So if you are filling one of those slots then in your individual games you account for a ~50% chance of if Eve will show up or not. So you aren't going to be seeing other players pick her that often.

As for games where you are not the jungler it can come down to several factors such as:

• The rest of the team comp.
  • Maybe your jungler doesn't feel Eve works for the comp and picks someone else.
• A diverse jungle champion pool.
  • Plenty of champions to pick from, and while she has a high pick rate it doesn't mean she is picked 50%+.
• You are keeping an eye out for her.
• Random chance
  • I might not see X champion...

We do care about our hardcore players, we care about our casual players, we care about our players. Someone being a casual player or not doesn't matter we care about players who care about games, and someone spending time going online to discuss their favorite games is hardly something I would consider casual.

Toxic gatekeeping individuals is not good for the game or the rest of its diehard community. I also don't think it's good for the fans of the Die Hard films. I'm not sure about the overlap between both communities, but I'm sure they are both great.

I think its unlikely that she'll be seeing any Q buffs any time soon. She is a popular champion that is preforming just fine, who becomes very frustrating champion very quickly. I'd go so far as to say she is boarderline OP in an elite player's hands. I think the biggest issue with her is that she has one of the widest spreads between unskilled play (balanced-ever so slightly weak) and highly skilled play (strong).

She is intended to be a strong ganker who shows up to surprise her opponents when they least expect it and make the numbers work better in her favor. While lower skilled players tend to focus more on farming their jungle and try to get themselves ahead Eve is all about making plays happen along side your allies and she is unlikely to have strong 1v1 potential unless she is ahead.

I personally haven't been keeping an eye on Liandry's data with these champions so I can only speak to so much.

That said it is totally possible, and likely, that the item is still very strong but that it isn't showing up as frequently because it was crazy OP before and being purchased far too often, but still preforming just fine in its intended situation. These champions are also less popular so it makes sense that their core item, while still strong, isn't showing up as frequently.

The item is intended to be something you buy for elongated fights and for dealing with tanks. If players are playing fewer tanks than the number of games where this item is the correct choice is also reduced.

Personally speaking Liandry's feels fine on these champions to me, (but we don't balance off of my games =P).

I think you are coming to some large assumptions about how both teams handle OTPs and general winrate. Both teams have access to winrate data for someone...

These changes only effect her should drop rate when she kills the minion.

The problem is that these champions aren't just in a balanced state and some small buff will boost perception. Its that they are very strong, but the perception is that they are weak. A small buff isn't going to change that perception without jumping them to crazy unacceptable 60-70%+ winrates. Its an issue of there play styles being so different. Its no coincidence that ASol, Singed, and Teemo have some of the most unique playstyles, this makes them harder to learn (you don't have a familiar touchstone champions that onboard you to them), and that they are perceived as weak.

I could see us spending more time on pro-focused changes, but it really comes down to what players want. There is always going to be some give and take with where we spend our focus, we see this all the time when you see comments like "Why did/didn't you buff/nerf X champion they are clearly OP/weak!?!?!?!?!" Some patches will have a larger focus on pro play, and that can grow if thats what players want to see, but I also suspect players want changes that that more accurately represent their games.

The tank Gragas nerfs a few patches back were some pro focused nerfs, I feel we missed the mark on these because he is still a frequent pick/ban but its tricky because for the general player base (all elos) he is a fine, but not OP pick. So any nerfs we do for pro risk an adverse effect outside of organized play.

I haven't spoken with any of the pro players to hear their reasoning, so this is my interpretation.

1. Even in elite levels of play (highest non-tournament elo bands) the game is played differently than tournament level play. You have less organization and coordination, this is part of why I say we balance the game for all elo ranges (often our changes do target elite levels of play), but that we haven't historically had a large focus on pro level balance changes. For example

Pros still have comfort picks like anyone else and are historically slow to change to new champions. In LoLPC you will often see champions go under the radar in pro play simply because they are unfamiliar with the champion and the cost/risk of swapping can be very high when you have thousands of games on a champion you are familiar with and money/your career is on the line.

Just like any other player they have their own perception of what is strong. And that might be right...